00:00
Jessica Berman
There was a girl in a wheelchair who was listening to the training and she said to me she was poisoned by a specific antibiotic. She was an opera singer in a wheelchair, could not sing, could barely even speak.

00:10
JJ Virgin
I didn’t even know that could happen.

00:12
Jessica Berman
Exactly. About six months later, I get an email from her. She said, I’ve been taking 2 tablespoons of PC. My life has completely changed. I’m starting to sing again. I’m walking again. Her cell membrane was completely damaged through this process. Wow. The toxins in our world are breaking down our cell membranes at a faster rate than we are actually making them in.

00:34
JJ Virgin
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01:32
JJ Virgin
My virtual JJ will reply directly and trust me, this will make your day. So subscribe now@subscribeetojay.com and text me your review. Let’s keep thriving together. If there were one molecule that could make your cells more resilient, your liver more efficient, and your hormones hum like they’re supposed to, and yet hardly anyone talks about it. Would you want to know what it is? I would hope so. And today we’re pulling back the curtain on phosphatidylcholine, or PC, as it’s called. And by the end of this conversation, you’ll see why. This quiet little nutrient may just be one of the most powerful tools for women over 40 to protect their metabolism, their brain, their hormones, and their longevity. By the way, this episode is sponsored by Body Bio.

02:24
JJ Virgin
You’re gonna hear why I was so fired up to do an episode on this and why I chose Body Bio and why this specific nutrient PC should be a core foundational supplement. And the story behind how I came to find them and got so obsessed with it now. My guest today is someone who didn’t just learn about fossil choline, she grew up with it. Jessica Berman is the co owner of Body Bio. It’s a company that’s been a pioneer in the world of cellular decades. Her grandfather, Ed Kane founded Body Bio after realizing that the key to so many chronic health issues came down to one thing. Most people overlook, the integrity of the cell membrane. She literally grew up surrounded by scientists, doctors and a lot of conversation about cell membranes at the dinner table.

03:09
JJ Virgin
I don’t know about your dinner table, mine, we never talked about this. And while that might sound a little intense, what’s amazing is how she’s taken the family legacy and turned it into a multi modern mission to educate, empower people, especially women, to understand how foundational lipids like PC can change their health trajectory. You’re also going to love how she can make complex science, hello, cell membranes, fossil lipids accessible. And how she can help everyday people like us connect the dots between what’s going on in their cells and how they actually feel. She’s passionate, she’s wicked smart and she has one of the most unique vantage points on this topic you’ll ever hear. Plus we’re recording it in my home studio and my dogs love her. That’s always the biggest test of a human. Right. I’ll be right back with Jessica Berman.

03:59
JJ Virgin
Stay with me. Jessica Berman, welcome to my studio.

04:02
Jessica Berman
Thank you for having me.

04:03
JJ Virgin
Before we dive into all this and I’m really curious about what we’re going to be talking about, but I’d love to know how you got into this space.

04:10
Jessica Berman
Yeah, that’s fair. So our company is a third generation family business. The second generation was not interested in my grandfather’s pursuits in biohacking. You know, he was an OG biohacker in like the 1980s.

04:21
JJ Virgin
What was it called back then?

04:22
Jessica Berman
It was originally called the Elight Corporation.

04:24
JJ Virgin
What was biohacking referred to?

04:26
Jessica Berman
I don’t even think the word functional medicine existed in the 1990s because I.

04:30
JJ Virgin
Started going to functional medicine to ifm back in the late 90s. It was early 2000s. Yeah, I didn’t go start going till like 2000.

04:38
Jessica Berman
Frank Inc. No, I mean it was like late 80s. It was much more of a naturopathic. You had Bastyr University, you had a couple different universities where people were doing things a little bit more holistically and a lot of those people kind of came together in the early 1990s and then it broke off into the various different things. So IFM was Started and Metagenix and Zymogen and all these different companies. My grandfather just chose to focus on the cell and the cell membrane, which is quite esoteric and probably a little bit niche. But he saw something. Yeah, super important. And I think he really hit the nail on the head and knew what was happening in the world and how toxins were affecting us and just doubled down on it.

05:19
JJ Virgin
Gosh, way back before we really had the toxic overload we have now too.

05:23
Jessica Berman
I mean, I think he’s rolling over in his grave.

05:24
JJ Virgin
Wow.

05:25
Jessica Berman
I mean, what’s happening in the world?

05:26
JJ Virgin
Toxic life state situation.

05:27
Jessica Berman
But he saw it in the 90s. That’s what’s crazy. So his journey was chronic fatigue from heavy metal toxicity.

05:33
JJ Virgin
Oh.

05:33
Jessica Berman
And then he went on this biohacking. How did one journey.

05:35
JJ Virgin
How did you find that back then?

05:37
Jessica Berman
Yeah. So I GUESS in the 1980s they said, you have chronic fatigue. And he just said, well, I’m not going to accept that. I’m just going to feel this way forever. He actually owned a steel business. He was a serial entrepreneur. And then he went on this search to figure out, well, what does chronic fatigue mean? What’s the root cause of chronic fatigue?

05:51
JJ Virgin
So an early functional medicine biohacking guide before there was even names for any of this stuff.

05:57
Jessica Berman
Exactly. Okay.

05:57
JJ Virgin
But this skip to generation, what got you interested in this in general?

06:01
Jessica Berman
I’ve always been interested in it. I’ve always wanted. I studied biochemistry. I was always interested in understanding the root of what the problem was. So I dealt with a lot of digestive issues. I had polycystic ovaries. And I was never willing to say, like, okay, you have pcos. This, let’s treat the pcos. It’s like, what’s causing the pcos? How do I get to this metabolic dysfunction?

06:21
JJ Virgin
Do your doctors just love you?

06:22
Jessica Berman
No, they couldn’t stand me, so I was constantly gaslit. I was constantly kind of kicked out of practices. But really, when I sat down with my grandfather and started deep diving on like, how do we get to the root? Is when I started learning just how critical our cellular health and mitochondrial health is.

06:37
JJ Virgin
Amazing.

06:37
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

06:38
JJ Virgin
So this is not just a business that you just happen to inherit. This is like a mission?

06:43
Jessica Berman
No. And it wasn’t even like inheriting. I mean, it took so many years to convince my grandfather. My husband’s the CEO, so he’s really the business, the brains, I would say, behind the business. I have always had a connection with my grandfather in understanding his extremely technical view of things and how to distill it for everybody else.

07:02
JJ Virgin
Sorry, but that’s also brains. It’s just different.

07:05
Jessica Berman
Yeah, different. More like a creative. But I have to tap into a very analytical place. And so we work as a great team together because he really handles the operations, the manufacturing, and I approach it from. How do we just continue to educate more and more people?

07:20
JJ Virgin
Perfect. This sounds like me and my husband.

07:22
Jessica Berman
Amazing.

07:22
JJ Virgin
Yes. Well, they’re totally different skill sets.

07:25
Jessica Berman
They are. I think you could do everything, but you wouldn’t do it as well.

07:29
JJ Virgin
Well, just because you can.

07:30
Jessica Berman
Yeah. Doesn’t mean you should.

07:32
JJ Virgin
No. Well, it seems to be working. Well, a little. Funny story. I used to take phosphatidylcholine and I don’t know, it just fell off my radar. And then I did this test with my buddy, Dr. Hemel. Do you know Dr. Hemel Patel? He is. Okay. So for me, screen test. And I think I was one of the first people that took that test. And he said, you need phosphylcholine.

07:55
Jessica Berman
Amazing.

07:56
JJ Virgin
Oh, okay. So then I started sniffing around as to which I should get. And everywhere I turned, people said, body Bio. Now, full disclosure, you guys are sponsoring this show. And the reason is because I’ve gotten a little obsessed with this and I wanted. I think it’s one of those supplements, and there’s only a couple that I really feel this way about this creatine, magnesium, and vitamin D. Things that if you don’t have what you should, and likely we’re not getting it from our diet, which we’ll talk about. Nothing else is going to work well. Now, this. This probably more than anything else. So it was really interesting that all roads led back to body Bio, even to the point where I was at Centner Wellness and there was this whole wall.

08:39
JJ Virgin
I’m like, the universe is screaming at me, just use this body bio.

08:43
Jessica Berman
It’s taken me seven years to get to this place, but I’m happy. I even saw a post the other day talking about how PC’s trending. I said, oh, it’s a trend.

08:50
JJ Virgin
Oh, yeah. Well, it is kind of crazy. Like you look at now creatine’s trending, and I’m really glad. But it needs to have its day and it needs to stay.

09:00
Jessica Berman
I agree.

09:00
JJ Virgin
So, but let’s talk about why. Because most people are going phosphatidal wet.

09:03
Jessica Berman
Yes, absolutely. And I think when you start talking about what it is, you get into the biochemistry weed. So if you keep it just super simple, I like to say it’s a healthy fat. It’s Actually, not a fat, it’s an oil. But what it is it’s a bioactive lipid that protects our cells. And there’s. In women now, they know it’s about 32 trillion cells. In men, there’s upwards of about 40 trillion. And every single one of those cells and the organelles within the cells, like the mitochondria, are protected by this very delicate bubble. And that bubble is essentially made of phospholipids. And that’s what phosphatidylcholine is. It’s the predominant phospholipid of the outer membrane of your cell membrane.

09:38
JJ Virgin
And if you don’t have enough phosphatidylcholine, what happens?

09:43
Jessica Berman
And this is a really interesting point. This is one that my grandfather would just slam all the time. He was obsessed with this concept that the toxins in our world are breaking down our cell membranes at a faster rate than we are actually making them in the body. So typically, you should be making enough phospholipids from foods and from food sources than you should be making them in the body. What we’re seeing now because of the world that we live in is that is critically impaired and we’re not actually producing enough to repair the cell membranes.

10:11
JJ Virgin
Is there a way to know if this is happening? Is it more symptoms based? Is there a lab test? Like, how would you know that you’re breaking down your cel membranes faster than you can build them up?

10:21
Jessica Berman
I’m actually talking to MI screen next week. There’s very few tests. There was a wonderful test in Germany that looked at phospholipid levels. It’s very difficult. We actually do red blood cell fatty acid analysis at Johns Hopkins. It’s a research lab, it’s not a commercial lab. So we’re not able to offer it to everyone. But we’ve seen over the last 30 years consistently that people’s levels of phospholipids are decreasing. But there’s no easy way to walk into a lab corps and get the levels tested, unfortunately. So it’s really based on symptoms, it’s based on our environment. It’s based on what doctors see using the products and the outcomes that they see from it. So brain fog, fatigue, all of these things are signaling mitochondrial dysfunction.

11:02
Jessica Berman
Most doctors that work with Body Bio are putting their patients on it, every single one of their patients, because they know what the foundation of cellular health means. When you take care of that cell membrane, all of the cells in the body can perform the actions that they should be.

11:17
JJ Virgin
And it would just strike me that if the cell membrane’s not functioning well, then all the other things you’re throwing at it are not going to be able to work.

11:28
Jessica Berman
Exactly.

11:29
JJ Virgin
So that’s why, when I looked at this again, I go, how did this fall off my radar?

11:32
Jessica Berman
And it’s such a critical supplement, I think, for everyone. And I think most notably, I mean, unfortunately, women have the downside of all these hormonal fluctuations, and with that comes an increase, a decrease in estrogen. Pemt, which is the enzyme that is responsible for converting estrogen, phosphatidylcholine, and actually making it in the body, starts to decrease and then we’re left with even less PC in the body after menopause.

11:57
JJ Virgin
Wow. If you were replacing hormones, would you avoid that or still have some of that? I guess it depends on what levels you replace.

12:03
Jessica Berman
If you’re replacing hormones by supplementing with PC, you’re actually making the hormones work better.

12:08
JJ Virgin
So if you’re replacing hormones and taking PC, it’s.

12:11
Jessica Berman
They’re working even better because those cells are actually able to perform the actions that the hormones are dictating.

12:17
JJ Virgin
Do you think, based on how we live now, with all the toxins and our diet, which I want to address, where do these things come from in the diet, that we actually could get what we needed from food?

12:27
Jessica Berman
I don’t know. In today’s world, I don’t. I don’t know that you could, because the toxins are just everywhere.

12:33
JJ Virgin
So we’ve got an increased need.

12:35
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

12:35
JJ Virgin
And then where is the supply? Where should we be getting these from?

12:39
Jessica Berman
Our diet, really? I mean, the highest forms are egg yolks, particularly meats, soy seeds.

12:46
JJ Virgin
And soy is one of the most nasty crops out there.

12:49
Jessica Berman
It is. So you have to be really careful. Now, the interesting thing, and you’ll hear this question from all sorts of places, we use soy. We use soy lecithin as the raw material that we put through the whole process in which body biopc is made. So the end product is an allergenic or estrogenic. It goes through this whole level of processing. But that’s what differentiates Body Bio to every other phosphatidylcholine on the market. So even the ones using sunflower or most of the ones out there by mainstream companies, they’ll have a phosphatidylcholine product. Most of the time it’s just lecithin packed in oil and stuck in a pill. Oh, yeah. And they can label it phosphatidylcholine so that’s why when you asked everyone what phosphatidylcholine should I take, they all said, body bio. Because we make it entirely differently.

13:34
JJ Virgin
How would you know? Do you have a patent on that process?

13:37
Jessica Berman
There’s no patent on the process. It’s one of those, like, secret, hidden people. I would say there’s about 10 people in the world that know how to make it.

13:42
JJ Virgin
How would you know then, if you were getting the. Let’s call it PC when it’s not, versus one. I mean, if that can be called phosphatidylcholine, and this is phosphatidylcholine, they’re both considered phosphatidylcholine, but the end result would be very different, I would assume, in how they’re absorbed.

14:00
Jessica Berman
Yep, exactly. So one is broken down. The triple lecithin pact in oil is broken down into lecithin and triglycerides. When digest, the only way that you will know that it’s the wrong thing to take is typically, a, you’re not going to feel the symptoms change. B, you’ll see TMAO increase. In the gut, you’ll see, actually TMAO levels increase, whereas when you take ours, it won’t.

14:21
JJ Virgin
Okay, let’s tell everyone what TMAO is.

14:23
Jessica Berman
There was a really great study that was done at the Cleveland Clinic, actually, looking at phosphatidylcholine products and seeing this specific molecule in the gut increase. And so it caused everybody, I think it was in about 2001, it caused everybody to go, we can’t take phosphatidylcholine. Well, that’s different. There’s a major difference between that triple lecithin, which is going to break down in digestion, and true phospholipids, which make it through the digestive barrier, get into the bloodstream for cellular delivery. And that’s what my grandfather really figured out. How to isolate. How do I take soy lecithin? How do I put it through an extraction process to isolate the phospholipids in a liposomal form? And so most liposomal products that you see on the market are actually using that bad form of PC.

15:02
JJ Virgin
Oh, my goodness. And so then if you eat foods that have lecithin in them, would those also cause an increase in tmao?

15:11
Jessica Berman
Most likely, yes.

15:13
JJ Virgin
Yep.

15:13
Jessica Berman
So lecithin in, like, the 1970s, 1980s was really known as a superfood. And I think it will increase small levels of phosphatidylcholine, but it’s not going to get through to the cells like ours does for cellular repair. And we know this because this year we invested money in a study, a mitochondrial study at the University of Connecticut on looking at the actual imaging of how this product is taken up into the cell. And now we’re even going further to look at how it’s taken up by the mitochondria wild.

15:39
JJ Virgin
And then, so for egg yolks to get to an optimal level, like, someone who is now looking at this going, okay, I’m going to start doing this. If they want to do it from food.

15:49
Jessica Berman
Yep.

15:50
JJ Virgin
How many? I’m assuming that they would need more at first to kind of stabilize their. Their cell membranes back to where they should be. Do you get to a point where you go from a loading dose to a maintenance dose, or no?

16:00
Jessica Berman
I think eggs are an important piece of the puzzle. They’re an important nutrient to include. The reason I would not use eggs solely is eggs are also high in sphingomyelin, which can affect atherosclerosis. So you wouldn’t want to just use eggs and start slamming 12 egg yolks a day. Now, my grandfather did eat egg yolks every single day.

16:22
JJ Virgin
So many.

16:23
Jessica Berman
So he would probably have two to four egg yolks. He would eat them in raw cottage cheese. He would pour PC and another product we have called balance oil in it. And that’s what.

16:33
JJ Virgin
Wow.

16:33
Jessica Berman
Yeah. And that was after his morning, even at 95 years old, weightlifting every single morning.

16:37
JJ Virgin
Oh, fabulous.

16:38
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

16:38
JJ Virgin
So the question, though, on the cholesterol with the eggs is wouldn’t that just be if they oxidized, if they cook the egg yolks, if you did them.

16:46
Jessica Berman
This is why you have to be careful with eggs.

16:48
JJ Virgin
But then we also have the toxins. If you’re not getting pastured eggs. I mean, it always blows my mind when I go to Europe and you get these eggs and they’re like bright orange and they look entirely different. And then you get things here, and it’s just this pale, sad, yellow, yucky with a little gray. Yeah.

17:03
Jessica Berman
And I think it also depends on what your exposures are, how well your liver function is, how. How much absorption is your bile, like, how’s your bile flow doing? So if you have all of these things that kind of. If you’re not optimal in your phase.

17:18
JJ Virgin
Two detoxification, how would someone know you.

17:20
Jessica Berman
Eat an egg and your gallbladder hurts. You’ve had gallstones.

17:23
JJ Virgin
How would someone know if their gallbladder was hurting?

17:25
Jessica Berman
Do you. Anybody who’s eaten any kind of fat. An avocado, even. Even olive oil. And you get this upper right quadrant pain that maybe you think is your liver. It could be your gallbladder. All of that’s fat malabsorption. That’s all coming from your gallbladder. So those are the main ways that’s happened to me. It happened after I had my second child, actually, and I just stopped being able to eat eggs. Every single time I would eat eggs, I’d be in this. Keeled over in pain, felt like vomiting. It was really terrible pain. You know, for that, there are multiple different things that you can do to get that bile flowing. But PC, once you get your liver working and once the level of toxicity is kind of being detoxed better, PC will actually increase bile flow by about 250%.

18:05
JJ Virgin
Wow.

18:06
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

18:06
JJ Virgin
Okay, someone looking at this going, maybe they don’t really have anything going on besides they’re doing hormone replacement therapy. What would the starting dose be? And again, do you take a higher dose at first to help get your cell membranes to where they need to be, or is it just doesn’t matter or what?

18:23
Jessica Berman
Yeah, we call it a loading dose. I always like a loading dose for people who are feeling good. Maybe they’re, you know, premenopausal, menopausal, postmenopausal. It doesn’t matter. You can start it just two capsules a day. You can build that up after a month to. I take one tablespoon a day, which is 12 capsules.

18:38
JJ Virgin
Wow.

18:39
Jessica Berman
Yeah. So I just take the liquid bottle. I literally drink it.

18:41
JJ Virgin
Well, I just. This is hard to travel with.

18:44
Jessica Berman
It is, yeah. So the capsules are much easier to travel with. I literally take a plastic bag and take them everywhere. So you could do that for about three months and then taper back down to the two a day. And you’ll see a difference. I mean, you really will.

18:56
JJ Virgin
And you say you’ll see a difference. What types of things would you see?

18:59
Jessica Berman
Brain clarity, brain function, memory retention, better detoxification, better liver, better absorption of nutrients that you might not feel, but you might feel energized overall. We typically tell people to take it in the morning or the kind of lunchtime, because if you take it at night, it can be a little. It can kind of make you feel a little bit too much energy. Better skin. Skin is our largest organ. Organs are made of cells. So more plump skin, all of these things.

19:22
JJ Virgin
Is there any reason to put it on your skin?

19:24
Jessica Berman
Some people do. I had a nurse like Amazing holistic practitioner. She used to take it and she would put it on her eyes, she would put some on her forehead and then she would put tape, like face tape on top of it.

19:34
JJ Virgin
Very interesting. So besides, because obviously it sounds like anyone who is on hormone replacement therapy, this would make a ton of sense.

19:42
Jessica Berman
For people who are and people who aren’t.

19:44
JJ Virgin
But. Yeah, but it sounds like anyone who is anyone. Like I’m trying to figure out who wouldn’t benefit from this. And I guess the issue is it’s so much easier to do like a vitamin D level and say, oh, look, I need a. Or a RBC magnesium and oh, look, you know, this one. It just seems like I don’t know how you would not need it.

20:07
Jessica Berman
Yeah. And I think we will get there with the testing. I think we’ll develop it. I don’t. I think it’s going to take a couple years, but I think.

20:12
JJ Virgin
But it also sounds like it doesn’t really even need to be. And for a maintenance dose, then like two capsules.

20:17
Jessica Berman
Two capsules a day, half a teaspoon.

20:19
JJ Virgin
The teaspoon versus the capsules, same exact.

20:22
Jessica Berman
Product in the inside. The capsules are made of bovine gelatin. So they are not vegan. The liquid is vegan.

20:29
JJ Virgin
Got it. Yeah. All right. I don’t think I have a lot of vegan people following me.

20:33
Jessica Berman
I would hope not.

20:33
JJ Virgin
I just, I think that I’ve. I’ve made the case so many times. It is amazing though, that still is out there.

20:40
Jessica Berman
I know. Well, low fat skim milk is still out there, so it’s no surprise. Right?

20:45
JJ Virgin
That’s true.

20:45
Jessica Berman
It’s unbelievable.

20:46
JJ Virgin
Amazing. So let’s like dig a little deeper into the whole hormones and PC, because I think that’s a really interesting place. If you were doing, say a Dutch test looking at estrogen metabolites, would you see any shifts?

20:59
Jessica Berman
I think you would. Because hormones are made from cholesterol and they need these fats in order to function correctly. And so I think you would see a shift if you were going to do before taking PC and maybe six months after, you would definitely see a shift in how those hormones are detoxified and regulated and balanced.

21:16
JJ Virgin
And then for getting this from your eggs, like, I know you really can’t get everything you need from your eggs.

21:22
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

21:22
JJ Virgin
But it was interesting. I once put a client on three eggs a day, three soft boiled eggs a day, to prove to his doctor that this was not going to raise his cholesterol, which it did not. And he got healthier and his triglycerides dropped in the whole bit.

21:33
Jessica Berman
Exactly.

21:34
JJ Virgin
But is there. Would you need to have them be, like, soft boiled or raw in order to really get this?

21:40
Jessica Berman
Yeah. I don’t think you would want to, you know, completely fry an egg. Right. Think about the oils that you’re cooking these things in as well. I love a poached egg, a soft poached egg, soft boiled egg. I eat the raw egg yolks myself in a smoothie that I make. But, you know, some people might not be interested in that kind of stuff.

21:57
JJ Virgin
But, yes, I think that eggs I find to be one of the more disgusting things ever. But were in Spain two summers ago, and were at this restaurant, and they wanted. We ordered these mushrooms, and they came with a runny egg yolk. And I’m like, we’ll just skip the runny egg yolk. And they’re like, you’re not skipping the runny egg yolk. Like, we couldn’t skip it. I was like, all right, you know, okay, what are you gonna do? It was the most delicious thing ever.

22:20
Jessica Berman
There you go.

22:21
JJ Virgin
I know. I was like, you know what? Maybe I’ve just got a bad PTSD thing from childhood on runny eggs.

22:28
Jessica Berman
Yeah, yeah. And I think some people just have, like, an egg intolerance. I think oftentimes that’s a fat malabsorption issue, which is why there is an egg PC on the market. But it’s so delicate. Any essential fatty acids? These. These bioactive lipids are extremely prone to oxidation and rancidity. And you don’t want to be feeding the body those bad oils. You want to be taking the good, pure, whole, unadulterated oils.

22:53
JJ Virgin
Now, you’ve got. Beyond PC, you’ve got some other types of oils. So. And I also know there’s like, phosphatidylserine, other phosphates. So walk us through some of these other ones and where they’d be.

23:04
Jessica Berman
Our product has ancillary phospholipids. So the most important one, particularly for mitochondrial health, it has. Is phosphatidylethanolamine. And that is really important in the mitochondrial membrane. And so it has it in it. It has phosphatidyl inositol phosphatidic acid. It has a host of complexes. Interestingly, phosphatidylserine is actually made through an enzymatic process from PC. So they take phosphatidylcholine and they mix it with an enzyme in order to make phosphatidylserine is great for memory, but it will only work short term. It’s about six. And so you want something that’s going to provide the full complex. And in the body, when you’re taking phosphatidylcholine, it will actually enzymatically make phosphatidoline.

23:45
JJ Virgin
That’s what I ask. Well, if you can make your own, why wouldn’t you just do that?

23:48
Jessica Berman
Exactly. So this is like a purified. Well, it’s just a more whole food.

23:53
JJ Virgin
Version, essentially, if you were having memory issues, it was interesting. I was under tremendous stress in my 30s and I was taking this brain formula and there was one with phosphatidylserin and one without. And the one without did not work anywhere near like the one with.

24:07
Jessica Berman
Interesting.

24:08
JJ Virgin
Yeah, but it was the short term therapy. I didn’t need it that long. But maybe that was why. Who knows? Beyond that, what about all of the different essential fatty acids?

24:17
Jessica Berman
Yeah, Essential fatty acids are so fascinating. And I think that this whole kind of seed oil conversation has really affected the way that we look at pure, unadulterated essential fatty acids.

24:26
JJ Virgin
People forget that omega 6s are actually essential.

24:30
Jessica Berman
And so our balance oil is four parts omega 6 to 1, part omega.

24:33
JJ Virgin
3, which is perfection.

24:34
Jessica Berman
And that’s the part, that’s the ratio that your cells need.

24:37
JJ Virgin
So I’d love to dig into the seed oil piece of it because it is such a. It’s, it’s amazing. I’m like, why are these things controversial? But I had Kate Shanahan on the show and I. My whole thought process on the seed oils, besides, you know, the damaged fats from the processing was that it was driving up our ratio and taking it out of our normal four to one.

24:57
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

24:57
JJ Virgin
And she goes, that’s not the issue. The issue is the damage. I’m like, wouldn’t it be both?

25:01
Jessica Berman
The other issue is how we’re looking at testing. So plasma testing is looking at the circulating levels of omega 3 and 6, and that’s a snapshot of what you’ve eaten in the last couple days. So if you have not eaten any fish and you have low levels of omega 3, your omega 6s are going to appear higher. And so that red blood cell fatty acid test that we’ve been doing for 30 years, since the 1990s, we see the buildup of the very long chain fats and the renegade fats that are caused by oxidized 6 and 3. But what we’re also seeing systemically through all the test results that we’ve seen, and we’re talking thousands, is that people are taking too much fish oil and they’re taking too much three and it’s offsetting the good levels of sixes.

25:42
JJ Virgin
And so what would they see in the tests, what type of test is that and what would they see to measure that?

25:46
Jessica Berman
That’s hard. That’s getting into like this research lab that we’ve been working with for a long time, and it’s Kennedy Krieger’s peroxisomal lab is what they’re looking at. But essentially what it’s looking at the highest level is how stiff is your cell membrane, how fluid is it? Which is when you have the right ratio of omega 6 to 3 and the right levels of phospholipids or how stiff it is. And you may have heard in like the chronic fatigue or chronic illness circles this concept of cell danger response. Well, that’s really what this is. It’s like if your cells are stiffened and they’re not working, all the actions of our cell comes from this membrane. And if it’s stiffened and hardened and not communicating properly, all of those neurotransmission and the development of the neurons aren’t going to properly work.

26:26
JJ Virgin
Okay, well what makes it stiffen? Because I always thought that was the sixes.

26:28
Jessica Berman
It is, it’s the bad rancid oils, but that can also be from bad threes. So I, I love whole food sources. I think when it comes to Omega 6 and 3, when it comes to essential fatty acids, whole food sources for me are king. Evening Primrose oil is a wonderful supplement. Our balance oil is very cold pressed, carefully treated organic oils. So they’re getting the nutrient dense essential foods into our body that we.

26:53
JJ Virgin
Oils are in that one.

26:55
Jessica Berman
So that is linoleic and alpha linolenic in a non oxidized form. But if you walk into a restaurant and you consume heated canola oil, that’s oxidized sixes and that’s going to stiffen your cell membrane.

27:05
JJ Virgin
Well, I mean, isn’t canola 6 and 3 so it’s even worse.

27:08
Jessica Berman
I think it has a little bit of three, but it does, which is.

27:11
JJ Virgin
Really frightening that they’re heating both those things up. But talk a little bit about this because I feel like there’s so much anti six. I’m like six is actually, we need more six than three.

27:20
Jessica Berman
We do.

27:21
JJ Virgin
I actually drove my, I was one of the people, I went and did a test. I’m like, oh, shoot. I’ve been so careful about what I do at restaurants. And, you know, I eat a lot of fish. I had to back off taking omega threes because I was like. I was like a two to one ratio.

27:35
Jessica Berman
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

27:36
JJ Virgin
You know, no wonder I’m like, stick me and I’m bleeding all over.

27:39
Jessica Berman
Do you take fish oils or not?

27:40
JJ Virgin
I do, but I don’t take that much anymore because I eat so much fish.

27:43
Jessica Berman
Yes. And I think that’s the best. The best way. Caviar roe, Those are even better.

27:47
JJ Virgin
And anything. My kind of rule with fats is whole fats first.

27:51
Jessica Berman
Yes.

27:51
JJ Virgin
Just like any type of food. Like, what can we get from our food? That’s why it’s so great to be an omnivore, because you’re going to get more.

27:57
Jessica Berman
Exactly.

27:57
JJ Virgin
And then minimal. Minimal oils, like extra virgin and basically ghee. That’s what we use. That’s it.

28:04
Jessica Berman
It’s interesting for me to see this trend of people taking, like, tablespoons and tablespoons of olive oil a day. And look, I think olive oil is great, but it’s Omega 9.

28:10
JJ Virgin
You know what’s so funny? So there was a study that came out that was like, olive oil makes you make new fat cells. And it was like, okay, but is that bad or good? But it was a great headline.

28:22
Jessica Berman
And they use these types of headlines to their. To their marketing. And it’s become this marketing gimmick on, you know, social media of so many people talking about, I’m building my brain through olive oils.

28:32
JJ Virgin
I mean, if you look at the amount of olive oil, your brain is not made of olives. But if first of all, eat olives. Yeah, it’s interesting. I never really liked them, but we’ve been incorporating them in, and I’m like, I think it was like the runny egg yolk. However, I don’t know that you need to drink shot glasses of olive oil just a little bit. Use a little bit in your food, and it’s fine.

28:52
Jessica Berman
What your brain actually survives on and needs, and Huberman just did a whole podcast dedicated to this is structural fats. And those structural fats are phospholipids and essential fatty acids. And he says it within the first four minutes of the podcast.

29:04
JJ Virgin
And does he say that you can get that from diet alone? Because again, it doesn’t sound like it.

29:08
Jessica Berman
He goes into some diet. I think where he gets it wrong is he starts talking about specifically phosphatidylserine and omega 3.

29:14
JJ Virgin
Oh, and missed it then.

29:16
Jessica Berman
And exactly so it’s interesting. He had it right at the beginning, and then he said they’re essentially the same thing. They’re absolutely not.

29:22
JJ Virgin
Omega 3 and phosphylsterine are the same thing.

29:24
Jessica Berman
Yeah. The top level was correct.

29:26
JJ Virgin
Did you fall out of your chair when you heard that?

29:28
Jessica Berman
Literally, yeah. But where he’s getting it right is these are the main components of our brain, and as we age, we are losing these. They are becoming more oxidized. We’re consuming bad foods, we’re consuming bad things. Toxins are breaking them down. And so we need to actually supplement with these essential nutrients, because in today’s world, we’re just not getting enough from food.

29:46
JJ Virgin
In terms of detoxification, beyond just supplementing with PC, what are some of the other things that you would recommend there? Because you’ve talked a lot about that and how it’s impacting our cell membranes.

29:57
Jessica Berman
Yeah. I had a fascinating conversation the other day with the leading environmental toxicant researcher.

30:02
JJ Virgin
It’s such a huge issue. That’s like. I think it’s one of those kinds of things that if you really start to talk about, you realize that we are so screwed. Like, you know, I’m kind of. Anytime I’m home, I’m in my sauna. It’s like, where’s jj? She’s in the sauna. Just in the sauna. But you look at and go, wow.

30:17
Jessica Berman
And what she and I were talking about was, sauna is great if you have the right levels of phospholipids, because phospholipids go in and they grab onto those biotoxins that are coming out of the adipose tissue, and they help to remove them from the body. You also need ample levels of glutathione for this. This detoxification process. But so many things that we do not even see or smell or feel are affecting us at the epigenetic level. And it’s cancers, it’s diseases, it’s autoimmune issues. It’s all of these things. And that’s because we have these leaky cells and not enough healthy fats, not enough of these bioactive lipids that are protecting the cells from all this stuff getting in there.

30:53
JJ Virgin
So someone’s starting this. How long would it take, like, three months for them to start to notice something? Or sooner?

31:00
Jessica Berman
It really depends on the individual. Depends on their health state, depends on their toxic burden. It depends on if they have an autoimmune condition or if they would classify themselves as perfectly healthy. It just really depends who’s ever Perfectly healthy. I don’t think any of us are.

31:12
JJ Virgin
I thought I was perfectly healthy, and then Vibrant Labs sent me a couple tests. Cause I was speaking for them. They’re like, shocking tests. And I’m like, all right. I don’t really need to. Well, we had a cold plunge in our recovery room next to our saunas. We have two saunas, and it had leaked. And I kept telling Tim this, like, there’s a problem here. He goes, oh, that’s just air in the floor. I go, I don’t think. I think there’s something going on here. It was complete black mold, which was the minute I took the test. I’m like, honey, we gotta do something. I have never had this issue before.

31:46
Jessica Berman
Now. Did you feel any symptoms?

31:47
JJ Virgin
No.

31:47
Jessica Berman
That’s because you’re healthy.

31:48
JJ Virgin
That’s the craziest part. Like, both of us can be around all sorts of stuff. We’re like. We feel fine. So, you know, I looked at my tests. You would have expected me to look like the walking.

31:58
Jessica Berman
This was my case. I also found out I had Lyme at the same time.

32:01
JJ Virgin
Wow.

32:02
Jessica Berman
But I think my grandfather saw this, and he saw what happens with that black mold. And there was an incredible test. Unfortunately, the lab closed when the founder passed away. There was an incredible test that looked at how that mold, or how a specific toxin would affect your epigenetics. So it could see. When I did a test to look at this, when I had mold toxicity, I could see that there was a certain marker and it was sitting on a specific DNA adduct that would lead to early onset Parkinson’s.

32:27
JJ Virgin
Wow.

32:28
Jessica Berman
So this is why this conversation is so important. You might feel great. But had you never done that test and never known how the mold was affecting you, who knows what could have happened in 10, 20 years?

32:38
JJ Virgin
Well, then you also wonder. I mean, we’re all getting hit by this. Is it just a matter of really protecting yourself? Because we’re not gonna get away from it.

32:45
Jessica Berman
I think it’s a matter of making yourself as resilient as possible.

32:48
JJ Virgin
Yeah.

32:49
Jessica Berman
That’s really how I come at.

32:50
JJ Virgin
To me, a big thing. I don’t want to be the person going out to eat, going, I can’t eat.

32:53
Jessica Berman
Me neither.

32:54
JJ Virgin
I never want to be. And half my friends are, let’s be honest.

32:57
Jessica Berman
So at dinner, t. And I’m not.

32:59
JJ Virgin
That person, because that’s why we do all this stuff. So if the occasional seed oil gets in your mouth, you’re not gonna keel over.

33:05
Jessica Berman
Exactly.

33:06
JJ Virgin
Right.

33:06
Jessica Berman
It’s about resilience and that’s even what weight training and creatine and all of these things are doing and building in the body. It’s making your body more resilient and just stronger from the inside out. And I think if we can make our cells more resilient, our mitochondria more resilient, you have a better chance at living a healthy life.

33:22
JJ Virgin
So any great stories of turnarounds that have happened because of using this?

33:28
Jessica Berman
Hundreds of thousands.

33:29
JJ Virgin
Well, tell me a couple.

33:30
Jessica Berman
I hear it every day. I mean, I hear women who have better brain function. There was a really touching story I heard when I was doing. I was doing a training at Erewhon and there was a girl in a wheelchair who was listening to the training and she said to me, I’d love to hear what you’re talking about. I was floxed and I became paralyzed after taking fluoroquinones, the specific class of antibiotics. She was an opera singer, stunning, like 30 something year old girl in a wheelchair, could not sing, could barely even speak.

33:57
JJ Virgin
And wait, so what had happened to her?

34:00
Jessica Berman
She was poisoned by a specific antibiotic.

34:04
JJ Virgin
Yeah. I didn’t even know that could happen.

34:06
Jessica Berman
Exactly. So she tells me about this. I talked to a couple doctors, they said, send her to this doctor. And it was in California. She went and saw the doctor. About six months later, I get an email from her. She said, I’ve been taking 2 tablespoons of PC. My life has completely changed. I’m starting to sing again, I’m walking again. Her cell membrane was completely damaged through this process.

34:25
JJ Virgin
Wow.

34:26
Jessica Berman
And there’s so many people. Lyme disease. Anyone with chronic illness, Lyme literally scavenges the phospholipids off of your cells so it can survive. But then it’s, you need more phospholipids to rebuild those cells for cellular functioning. There’s a reason neurological Lyme is always so bad.

34:40
JJ Virgin
I mean, I hear this and go, long Covid is the obvious.

34:44
Jessica Berman
Long Covid, spike protein damage, all of these things. Wow. I know. So we’re talking so much about serrapeptase and some of these things. For long Covid or for spike protein, brains aren’t healed.

34:54
JJ Virgin
None of this is going to matter.

34:55
Jessica Berman
Exactly.

34:57
JJ Virgin
Wow.

34:57
Jessica Berman
Yeah. And that’s what makes my job. I’m so grateful to get to do what I do. And I’m so. I was so interested in being a part of what my grandfather had built because I knew he was able to educate doctors. We were a doctor only brand until 2019. And so he was able to sit with those doctors and explain to them the difficult biochemistry of phospholipids in your cell membranes. But most people didn’t. There was a huge gap of opportunity there for people just taking their health into their own hands. And so it just makes me so happy. I get to do this every day.

35:26
JJ Virgin
So why did you make that shift and is it now both? So you’ve got a doc. Do you have two different brands or doctors still use it? And you’ve got consumers. What are you doing?

35:35
Jessica Berman
One brand. We decided, we saw that, I think it was like Thorne went onto Amazon and we said, you know what? People are really taking their health into their own hands. So let’s just lead with education, let’s take that risk, which is more risky in the supplement world. And let’s lead with just telling people why these are so important to the structure and function of our bodies.

35:53
JJ Virgin
And is PC your top. Is this the top selling?

35:56
Jessica Berman
Yeah, it is the top selling. The second bestselling product is one called Tudka, which is a bile acid that.

36:02
JJ Virgin
We should actually talk about those two others because I forgot about that. I also take. Well, when this all happened, my putyrate was low. I’m like, I take so much resistant starch. What the heck is going on? And someone had. Had been talking about tudca and I’m like, I never heard of this.

36:16
Jessica Berman
Fascinating.

36:17
JJ Virgin
So I’d love to. Since you brought them up, let’s talk about both those.

36:20
Jessica Berman
Vodka is. I mean, talk about something that works fast. It’s a bile acid. It’s a bile salt. It’s one of essentially like the emulsifiers in the body that help bile to flow. It was used in ancient Chinese medicine for hundreds and hundreds of years. They actually got it from bears.

36:37
JJ Virgin
Bears.

36:37
Jessica Berman
Yeah. We make it synthetically. We’re not harming any animals in the production of our tadka. But Tadka really works to help your liver. It helps to get your liver healthy. It’s unbelievable what it does to liver enzymes. And really helps with gallbladder function. So it’s mostly taken for those two things. It’s also being used for neurodegeneration and looked at because it has this really interesting role in the cells called a chemical chaperone, which helps to break down that junk that’s getting into the cells and then use PC to help it get out.

37:07
JJ Virgin
Wow.

37:07
Jessica Berman
Yeah, it’s really cool. And butyrate actually is a chemical chaperone as well.

37:11
JJ Virgin
Amazing.

37:12
Jessica Berman
Yeah. So tadka’s gonna help with the liver and the gallbladder butyrate is mostly in the gut. It’s manufactured and made in the gut. It’s a postbiotic. And then you have PC. So the concept of the products is really to work synergistically and be taken together.

37:26
JJ Virgin
Okay, we’ll talk. Butyrate.

37:27
Jessica Berman
Yeah, butyrate’s fascinating. I mean, over 5,000 studies, we get asked on a weekly basis to donate to different clinical studies that are being done, which is so exciting. It is a postbiotic. It’s made deep in the woods in New Jersey.

37:42
JJ Virgin
It is. When you said deep in the woods, I thought of your colon. I was like, okay.

37:45
Jessica Berman
It is, it is manufactured, it is made in the body. We manufacture it exogenously. But in the body it’s made when you have the right levels of resistant starch fed to the right keystone strains of bacteria. So if you were missing specific keystone strains, all that resistant starch had nowhere to be.

38:00
JJ Virgin
So if you. Yeah, this is very frustrating because I was like, I’ve been totally doing the resistant starch for years. Like, how the heck could I be low in butyrate? So then if you take butyrate, what about taking the, those enzymes or whatever you’re deficient in?

38:14
Jessica Berman
Yes, you can. That will help. Taking butyrate, particularly at therapeutic levels is going to be really anti inflammatory in the gut. It’s going to be helping with your immune system, which is obviously housed in the gut. And it’s going to create, I like to say it creates like a happy home in the gut for the good bacteria to thrive, for the bad bacteria to be removed from the body.

38:35
JJ Virgin
And so those other enzymes, is that something that can be taken. I’ve never.

38:38
Jessica Berman
You can, you can take different digestive enzymes that will help with the release of the resistant starch and the breakdown of a lot of these things. I take digestive enzymes. I also take ox bile, which is another bile salt that I really like that we don’t make like allergy research. But I. There’s a whole host of different things through the upper and the lower digestive system. There’s so many different pieces of the puzzle I think, to put together.

38:59
JJ Virgin
Yeah, it’s. It was interesting because gut spin, you know, when I wrote the Virgin Diet, I didn’t do it as a GI thing. I did it because I was running food sensitivity tests and teaching it for Minometrics. And I was like, why are we doing an elimination diet with all these random things when these foods show up over and over again?

39:15
Jessica Berman
Interesting.

39:16
JJ Virgin
Yeah. I mean, it was always like Citrus and oranges. I go. I never see them. It’s dairy and eggs and corn, soy, peanuts. And then gluten is a driver. So why are we making this hard over here?

39:26
Jessica Berman
But I never.

39:27
JJ Virgin
It wasn’t. I didn’t do the virgin diet for GI Stuff. I did it for weight loss. And then all the GI people came running in, and I was like, oh, okay. But when I just did those tests with Vibrant, I also did one with Tiny Health.

39:41
Jessica Berman
Oh, nice. I did those on my kids.

39:43
JJ Virgin
They’re amazing.

39:44
Jessica Berman
Yeah. I love this.

39:45
JJ Virgin
Oh, my gosh. So. And, you know, all of it. I’m going, okay, this. This mold thing is completely trashed. My gut.

39:52
Jessica Berman
It’s crazy.

39:52
JJ Virgin
Trashed it. It’s crazy. Crazy. And I don’t really know how people don’t have mold issues.

39:57
Jessica Berman
I think so many of us do.

39:58
JJ Virgin
You know, and especially, like, I think of we’d had this whole house checked when we moved in, but then we travel all the time, and I think of some of these hotels we’ve been in. I’m like, gosh.

40:10
Jessica Berman
Oh, so bad.

40:11
JJ Virgin
They’re brutal.

40:11
Jessica Berman
I mean, my mold issue came from my H vac system. I would have never even seen it anywhere you couldn’t smell was in the ductwork.

40:18
JJ Virgin
How did you know?

40:19
Jessica Berman
Husband had floaters in his eyes. Floaters in his eyes. So he said, I’m seeing these floaters. What is going on? And my baby was about. From the time he was born, I think he had croup, like six times in the first year of his life. And my mom intuition kept telling me, something’s off. There’s mold in this house somewhere. And I actually had to hire a company to come in and find it for me.

40:40
JJ Virgin
I think the most interesting thing now. Cause we did, like, the dust kit and a bunch of different other things, but that. Those mold sniffing dogs.

40:46
Jessica Berman
Yes, yes. I haven’t done that. And I actually really like to, because I think dogs are so intuitive on something. So if they can train that, I.

40:53
JJ Virgin
Think I could just teach my dogs to sniff mold.

40:56
Jessica Berman
It’d be fun.

40:57
JJ Virgin
Yeah.

40:57
Jessica Berman
I could probably teach my Belgium Alamois, too.

40:58
JJ Virgin
I wonder, could they be right off then, and could I put them to work?

41:01
Jessica Berman
Yeah, probably. And maybe their food and all the supplements that they take.

41:05
JJ Virgin
I know we are. Do you know who Marlene Siegel is?

41:08
Jessica Berman
I’ve heard of this person.

41:09
JJ Virgin
She’s amazing. She actually lives in Wesley Chapel, so she’s not far away from us.

41:13
Jessica Berman
Nice.

41:13
JJ Virgin
She’s like the Jeff Bland of vets.

41:15
Jessica Berman
Yes.

41:15
JJ Virgin
Okay. So she is. We did a Podcast with her. I was like, oh, my gosh. And then I went. And you live nearby? Yes, the dogs.

41:23
Jessica Berman
Now we go to a functional vet. It’s a fortune. But to me, I mean, they’re children.

41:28
JJ Virgin
One in two dogs die now of cancer.

41:30
Jessica Berman
Exactly.

41:31
JJ Virgin
It’s crazy.

41:31
Jessica Berman
Exactly. And I just, I think that the more we can do to help prevent that. I give my dogs PC.

41:36
JJ Virgin
I was just gonna ask you, do you give your dogs PC? You saw my little ones. How much do they need?

41:41
Jessica Berman
So probably half a teaspoon. My big girl gets about a tablespoon a day. I also give her balance oil and resolvin, which is a fish oil product that we make with naturally occurring SPMs. It’s. It’s literally cold pressed caviar. So I give her that every few days because she’s not eating a fish diet. She eats mostly venison and rabbit. And so I’ll supplement that just for joint health.

42:00
JJ Virgin
Wow.

42:01
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

42:01
JJ Virgin
Okay, good to know. We’re on it. Anything I didn’t ask you about in the world of PC?

42:08
Jessica Berman
I think we’ve covered a ton with PC. I think one of the things that I find most interesting that we didn’t talk about is the metabolic function of butyrate. You know so much about metabolic function, obviously. But what’s really interesting is that butyrate, when taken at higher doses, actually naturally induces GLP1 production in the gut, which is such an important part.

42:26
JJ Virgin
So on that note, because looking at GLP1s, I’m fascinated with GLP1s. I. I’m fascinated by. In so many different ways. I’m fascinated that it’s become this weird shaming political issue.

42:37
Jessica Berman
Well, at the high doses, it’s crazy, right?

42:39
JJ Virgin
I just don’t understand. You know, I’m fascinated that they’re attacking compound pharmacists who can actually create doses that people need.

42:47
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

42:47
JJ Virgin
You know, the whole thing is bizarro.

42:50
Jessica Berman
But they shut down our Facebook account. Our Facebook account was shut down. We could not run any ads because were running ads about butyrate naturally increasing GLP1 in the gut.

43:02
JJ Virgin
Wow.

43:03
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

43:04
JJ Virgin
It’s just an incretin hormone.

43:07
Jessica Berman
It was incredible. I mean, it’s structure and function of how this works.

43:11
JJ Virgin
Wow.

43:12
Jessica Berman
Butyrate creates GLP1 naturally.

43:15
JJ Virgin
So part of what. And I talked to Dr. Tina Moore about this.

43:18
Jessica Berman
I just, I was on her podcast. Yeah. Talked a ton about it.

43:22
JJ Virgin
And, you know, I really think she’s onto something with that we’ve got both GLP1 resistance and that we’ve damaged our gut microbiome and we, you know, the L cells and we can’t produce GLP1 like we should. And then you look at what happens when people take just a little bit of it. The inflammation shifts the, you know, the brain shifts all the things. So when you get your butyrate working right, when you say it helps your body produce it, I’m assuming more in the natural pulsatile fashion, it wouldn’t be like, you know how you can take, and I never can pronounce it right, callic herbs, amarasante. And they say it lasts for like four to six hours where allulose is like maybe 30 minutes and you know, normal is like couple minutes and then the meds can be like a week or whatever.

44:08
JJ Virgin
But still you just wonder if you could start optimizing all of this while you’re on a GLP1 so that if you do want to get off of it or at least cycle it or taper it, you’re not screwed. Because I think that’s why we’re seeing issues is people are don’t have it, they don’t have the production they used.

44:24
Jessica Berman
To have taking it at such at higher doses. But we recommend that people take it. We recommend butyrate for when they’re on the higher doses or any GLP1 in general because it’s helping with some of the GI effects. If they’re taking that too high of a dose and you’re getting those GI.

44:39
JJ Virgin
Effects, well, they should never, I mean that’s. Just assign your doses too. Like I don’t understand the dosing situation here. Like start at half the starting dose.

44:48
Jessica Berman
Yeah, it’s a third of it.

44:50
JJ Virgin
It’s just silly. And then would PC in this situation also help it work better?

44:55
Jessica Berman
It would. So 80% of the gastric mucosa is made of phosphatidylcholine. And so, you know, I sit here saying it does X, Y and Z, it’s all these things, but it’s true. Our body is made of these trillions of cells. The cells are all over, they’re everywhere, they make up every organ. And so it’s helpful in so many different parts of the body.

45:13
JJ Virgin
So I can’t imagine someone listening to this not going, I need to get PC immediately. Right? I mean, how could you listen to this? I think, get on.

45:20
Jessica Berman
I think I feel better, I really do. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it every day. I see it every single day of my life.

45:25
JJ Virgin
I would do a three month trial at the Minimum.

45:28
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

45:28
JJ Virgin
And you are going to give. Let me just make sure I have it right. 25% off. I’m saying this to you, putting you on the spot. That’s what I have here. I love it.

45:36
Jessica Berman
Yeah.

45:36
JJ Virgin
Wow.

45:36
Jessica Berman
That’s the most. That’s the most you will ever get.

45:40
JJ Virgin
All right, well, so JJ, virgin.com forward slash, bodybio. What we’ll do is we’ll put the link to your website. We’ll have the coupon code, which is JJVirgin25. And again, what I’ve been taking is the PC, the oil I haven’t been using, but I’m gonna start to use it when I’m home just because I make supplement packages. Nice. That’s what I do every day. And then I’ve been taking the tudka, the sodium butyrate, and trying to think there’s anything else that they have a great minerals. Oh, I’ve been squeezing some of that into my water as well.

46:13
Jessica Berman
Yeah, that’s great. When you filter your water, specifically.

46:15
JJ Virgin
Yeah. And then it’s another. Okay, one last thing, because that is a thing is all this filtering of water that I think people don’t realize. It’s like you’re filtering everything.

46:25
Jessica Berman
You’re filtering the good. Yeah, you need. You need these minerals. You need tiny, tiny nano doses of some of these heavy metals even. You know, we should be getting this stuff from our food source. We should be getting it from our food. We should be getting it from our water, but you’re not, unless it’s spring water. And so if you have a reverse osmosis system or you have any kind of water filter, I highly recommend adding minerals back in. Minerals. I like to call it cell food. You know, there’s so many different functions that they have in the body. And ours are trace, they’re ionic, and they also include the macro minerals as well. So you’re going to be a good blend.

46:55
JJ Virgin
So I’ve just got that over there by our stuff because I make my big, huge drink concoctions. I drink throughout the day, so I forgot about that. That one’s another great one. You’ve got such good stuff. Thank you. Good stuff. So very cool. Love the fact that it’s you and your husband running this.

47:11
Jessica Berman
Thank you. Yeah, it’s been a lot of fun.

47:13
JJ Virgin
I know it’s been fun working together with my husband. I didn’t think it would ever be.

47:16
Jessica Berman
Yeah, I think, you know, some people look at it and they’re like, I could never do that. I. I actually really enjoy it.

47:21
JJ Virgin
Oh, I love it. Yeah, like, it’s fantastic. But we have very specific roles and totally different skill sets.

47:26
Jessica Berman
Agreed. Yeah, same. Same as us. I think that’s probably what makes it successful.

47:29
JJ Virgin
Yeah, there you go. Well, thank you again and again it’s jjbirchen.com body bio.

47:35
Jessica Berman
Thank you.

47:37
JJ Virgin
Okay, so now you see why I have been using phosphatidylcholine for, gosh, I think now about six, eight months and it’s become a mainstay in what I do. And now after what I talked about with Jessica after the recording ended, the dogs will be getting it too. Just a little bit of the oil if you would love to try it yourself again. She has generously extended an amazing discount to my listeners. You’ll be able to get that@jjvirgin.com bodybio she is giving you 25% off and you’ll just use the code JJVIRGIN25. I’ll put all of that again at the show. Notes and I have been using the PC, the tudca, the sodium butyrate and Piers. There’s a couple more things I’m gonna give a go too, so let me know what you think and I will see you on the next episode.

48:29
JJ Virgin
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49:25
JJ Virgin
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