Learn how to get back into hormonal balance
When thinking about how to balance hormones, and essential oils benefits in your life, it’s best to seek the advice of someone who has conquered her own imbalances and has spent years studying and writing about the best ways to do so. Magdalena Wszelaki, the Queen of hormone balance, is proof that estrogen imbalance does not have to dominate your everyday life. She has literally written the book, or books, on it!
Today JJ welcomes her friend Magdalena, a certified nutritionist coach, an herbalist, an author/speaker/educator, and most importantly, a survivor of her own hormonal challenges. The two will discuss how diet can have a great impact on your health as well as understanding where you are starting from and where you need to get to. They also discuss essential oils benefits and exactly how to balance hormones.
Listen in as Magdalena shares her vast knowledge and resources to help you overcome estrogen dominance, understand how to balance hormones, as well as essential oils benefits and so much more!
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JJ Virgin: We have never talked about this on the show, or if we have, it's been a long time, we're going to be talking about overcoming estrogen dominance today. And I have got my pal Magdalena Wszelaki. She is the founder of hormones balance, which is an amazing. You'll want that you'll want both these books ever coming, estrogen, dominance and hormones, balanced, beautiful book.
She's a certified nutrition coach and herbalist, and also an author, speaker and educator. And she's really like one of those people who not only is she obsessed with this subject, but she learned so much by healing herself. She's in full remission of her hormone challenges, live symptom, free life. And.
Tens of thousands of women, how to find their hormonal balance with her books, online programs and education. Plus, she has an amazing product line. They just loved the name of well Lena. And so all her all natural supplements and skincare products. So just absolutely [00:01:00] someone you want to be dialed into.
And you're going to love this interview and we've got another cool thing in this interview is she'll want to make a note of this. You're going to want to go to JJ virgin.com. PST quiz and you will be able to take the, how estrogenic are you quiz and get looped in with Magdalena. All right. Hang out with me.
I'll be right back with the interview.
Alright, Magdalena Wszelaki. Welcome to the show. Good to have you here. I think what I want to do is throw out to the audience. Um, anyone can go on Instagram and if they can actually spell your last name correctly, I should give them like, Uh, free overcoming, overcoming estrogen dominance book, you know, so full disclosure to everybody listening.
I've known Magdalena for what? Like eight years [00:02:00] now.
Magdalena Wszelaki: Yeah. I would say
JJ Virgin: long time I used to just call her Magdalena. W because her last name is Polish, right? Yeah. Very challenging. And even today I was like I said, her last name so many times. I'm like, how do you say it? And I mispronounce it. So there you go.
I'm just going to say Wszelaki throughout the. There that's it. So I want to dig in today. I don't think we've ever covered this topic just as a sole focus. And I know you're kind of obsessed with it since you are the queen of hormone balance. Um, we are going to unpack estrogen dominance today. And so where I would love to start is let's just define it to begin with like what it actually means.
And I also want you, as you're defining it to, to, you know, part of it is as well. Aren't we estrogen dominant. So what does dominant really mean?
Magdalena Wszelaki: Yeah. So, um, would it be okay if I start off with the symptoms first?
JJ Virgin: You know what you can do, whatever you want. How's that [00:03:00] Magdalena gone rogue. Here we go.
Magdalena Wszelaki: That is not true. But, um, but thank you for permitting that and you know, so the reason why I suggest symptoms is because I think that would allow it audience right away to connect with, you know, is this a show for you or not? Right. And, um, I feel like 90% of women have estrogen dominance. Level or another at one point in her life.
And so, you know, you could start anything from women who are still menstruating, having horrible period problems. So that could be Epsom periods, super heavy periods, sporadic periods, having, you know, parasite incredibly painful. Um, you know, as women, we are always told that PMs is a. It's a package as being a woman.
And I can tell you right now that this is not true, your period can come and go and be pretty uneventful. Um, if you don't have estrogen dominance, but also you have other symptoms that so many women suffer from, like fibroids, endometriosis, you know, one of the most painful conditions, young women can experience.
How many of us here? Examine my breasts and found a lump on our breasts and you know, the [00:04:00] sense of terror and fear and confusion that it creates. And how do you get it properly diagnosed? Right. Again, lump lymph, uh, fiber cystic and fiber cystic breasts, fibrocystic, lumpy breasts that all due to estrogen.
Um, you know, but also certain things, I mean, like in your space, JJ, um, you know, women who have a lot of fat around their hips and, um, and satellite around the hips and thighs, right. And Botox that the weight just wouldn't go away, no matter how much the X is. Um, that also can be due to estrogen. Dominance is really interesting where your fat gets a positive in the body can be due to different, um, hormonal imbalances.
Um, so, you know, and then you have a few, um, cancers, estrogenic cancers, such as breast cancer. So estrogen receptor positive breast cancer, which is the most common breast cancer amongst women, as well as thyroid cancer, ovarian uterine, and lung cancers in non-smokers really interesting, um, is also, uh, due to estrogen dominance and almost every woman has a men [00:05:00] in her life.
And so prostate problems, as well as prostate cancer in men can also be due to estrogen dominance. So, you know, you tell me who do you know in your circles, who hasn't had one of those things,
JJ Virgin: right. Honestly, and everyone sees them as normal, which is the big problem is.
Magdalena Wszelaki: That's in here is because, you know, that's the reason why I do this work because is something that I've, you know, my whole family has got a huge sentence.
He's still what's estrogen dominance. I inherited both the genes on both sides of my family. And it's not surprising that, you know, I have a lot of deaths in both sides of the family, of, from different estrogenic cancers. So that was a big prompter. You said I was obsessed about it. Um, um, I, you know, I did way Magdalene.
I take them in a good way. And I think I am, and they initially came from a place of fear, uh, for my own health. And then later, and then later it became, you know, more of an inspiration of really showing a lot of other women. It doesn't have to be.
JJ Virgin: [00:06:00] Yes. So thank you. We were absolutely spot on starting with symptoms serve and go, next question then, if those are the symptoms and these are things that are so common, are there lab tests that can verify this?
And you also talked about, you know, your genetics, like what are, what would be the things on a genetic profile that would look for? We'd be looking for in labs and what happens in labs when you've got cycling hormones.
Magdalena Wszelaki: Yeah, sure. So you know how initially the red at the beginning of the podcast, you asked me, like, what exactly is estrogen dominant?
So let me define it first, before we talk about lab testing. Cause that will be easier to understand. So estrogen dominance can happen. Um, I was just talking about to me. The conditions. One is when you estrogen gets broken down to what I cleaned, clean, what I call clean estrogens and dirty estrogens. And that predominantly happens in your gut and your liver.
And so those it's, um, that there are laptops that show you metabolites, estrogen, metabol. Uh, that are beneficial that are fairly, [00:07:00] um, you know, problematic and that are those ones that are just highly dangerous. Um, and one of the tests for that is one of my favorite is Dutch DTC. Haitch Dutch test. We'll show you all of that as well as a lot of other hormones, but those are.
The estrogen metabolites are a big part of it. They show a big picture. The other form of estrogen dominance that can happen is the ratio of estrogen. So as progesterone, you know, these two are like two dancing partners, right? Like, you know, if you go and see a dance competition, and if the, if the man is overly cocky or flamboyant and the woman is timid, right.
It looks off. Um, and the same thing happens with hormones. Progesterone, especially for women who are 45, the minute we turn 45, our progesterone starts to dropping really drastically. And even though estrogen starts dropping too with it, um, the most of the time for just to drops much faster. And so the ratio between estrogen progesterone is, is a problem.
Again, these things can be tested very easily. You can get it done through Dutch testing. You can also get it done through [00:08:00] saliva testing. I would not recommend blood testing for, um, for estrogen dominance. It is not showing us a full picture and we don't have a lot of time on the podcast today. So I'm not going to go into details, but, um, if you really want to have a good picture, then saliva and urine testing is the way to go.
JJ Virgin: Okay. So one other real quick thing beyond looking at the testing, um, is, is this a challenge that, that women face up until they're post-menopausal or does this continue after menopause?
Magdalena Wszelaki: Yeah, that's a really good question. And the answer is it continues. And so, which is very paradoxical and hard to understand for a lot of women who are in parenthood, perimenopause, menopause, or postmenopausal, because you think like, Hey, estrogen dominance means that estrogen.
But how can it be because I'm already low in estrogen, right? So let's just park this thought for a second and think of it this way. Who are the women? What is the [00:09:00] demographic that suffers from, uh, things like, um, estrogen receptor, positive breast cancers, right? Those are women who are 55 and above. This is the highest demographic.
Are these women high in estrogen? No, they're low in estrogen yet. They do have estrogen receptor positive breast cancer. Right? So that shows you that even though you estrogen can be low. How you break again. So going back to the types of estrogen, how you break down those estrogens, however little you have of them can be highly and beneficial and that's what can cause still the growth of, of, um, of cancer.
Um, but also you, again, you estrogen progesterone ratio can be off and that's what can be causing it. So yes, absolutely. You can have estrogen dominance, even if you are in menopause or post-menopausal.
JJ Virgin: So I feel like one of the things that is not talked about enough is. Good versus bad estrogens and breaking down estrogens and independent of someone doing say a Dutch and really seeing what the estrogen metabolites are.
[00:10:00] Would you recommend that that women should be focused on detoxifying estrogens in general? Because all of us were going to have some of the bad estrogen metabolites, correct?
Magdalena Wszelaki: Absolutely. Yes. And that is, that is very true. That's why we'll show you, you know, the two, four and 16 metabolites, right? The question is then what do you do with this information?
And in a lot of people like to start off with supplements, I, um, I might be biased in that way. I feel like supporting that cleaning up your diet is read the first step. Um, and so I think as a two throwing approach, you know, one is removing foods that are highly inflammatory because that's what.
Definitely the inflammation is going to contribute towards more of those dirty estrogens being created. Um, and number two, with food, you can really support your liver in very powerful ways. Uh, with using things like better spitter vegetables. Uh, using digestive bitters, you know, using custom oil packs, um, all of that will support the liver to skew the balance towards the [00:11:00] positive and protective metabolites of estrogen rather than the dirty ones.
Um, you know, and then there was some, some supplements like dim sulforaphane, for example, calcium D glucarate, magnesium, um, you know, vitamin C that can really tremendously help again with that metabolism. Uh, generate more of the positive, um, uh, the clean estrogens. Um, and then, you know, on the point also on progesterone, one of the, there's some really wonderful that there isn't a food, um, that can help to produce progesterone, but there are some supplements and nutrients that, um, in higher doses can definitely help.
And those would be things like zinc, vitamin. Vitamin C um, vitamin E are just a wonderful and, you know, as an herbalist, I would also say that Vitex also knows, has chasteberry. Um, in fact, you know, is, is just a wonderful herb that helps you to raise progesterone levels. In fact, in Germany, Um, it is, you know, where herbal medicine is actually fully even covered by insurance.
When you go and see, [00:12:00] um, a traditional conventional allopathic doctor and a woman for example, can get pregnant and they test, and she's low on progesterone, or she's got hot flashes, which by the way, this one of the symptoms I forgot to mention is hot flashes. Uh, of, uh, of estrogen dominance and you know, that one of the first go-to methods in Germany would be to put a woman on Vitex to raise her progesterone levels.
So, you know, just quite a lot of things that we can do to mitigate, um, estrogen dominance. right out of the gates.
JJ Virgin: So you, you kind of glossed over high inflammatory foods. So let's go back, like don't eat foods that can create inflammation. Like let's go through what they are. I always think we can't hear this enough. Right.
So let's. Talk through, um, cause I'd love people to have a pretty clear picture. Now, obviously you wrote the book overcoming estrogen dominance. I think that if you're listening, you're going, wow. There's a lot of information here. You're going to want to get the book overcoming estrogen dominance. Um, but I [00:13:00] always, whenever I have an opportunity to go, let's unpack the foods that you should, that are creating inflammation.
Let's, let's talk through some of those here.
Magdalena Wszelaki: Yeah. So, you know, you and I are definitely two pieces in apart when it comes to, when it comes to food and all the food intolerances. Right. And so, you know, so the book is definitely is based on the elimination diet, which basically means that you're cutting out the inflammatory foods.
The biggest one in my mind would be, you know, not just my mind, but from what our audience and our community experiences is the benefits of right away, eliminating not reducing. I want to stress the word eliminating completely temporarily, uh, things like gluten dairy, soy eggs. Um, those will be the big ones.
We also don't use nitrate vegetables in our book. That doesn't mean it's bad for you. It just, you need to do the elimination diet and figure out what. Um, it's a yay or nay for you. Um, so those are the, and then, you know, when the whole book is also very low in sugar, so I know that's another. [00:14:00] And that you talk a lot about, um, we use,
JJ Virgin: and you said something important.
You said this is to figure out if it's yay or nay. So you're pulling these foods out, you know, and you're, you're checking in to see how they make you feel. So again, nightshades may work or may they may not work. Eggs might work. You know, it's like, I'm always hopeful. Eggs will work. Cause I think there's such a great food, but some people, they just, you know, slammed their immune symptoms straight up.
So again, these are eliminations where you're connecting the dots to create what's right for you. All right. Yeah. Talk sugar.
Magdalena Wszelaki: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, it's um, so the, the book is not sugar-free it's, uh, that's not that the purpose of the book is just to really teach our audience and how to first recognize how much sugar there is in everything, you know, and I mean, you know, I cited examples that are just openly there in the public.
I mean, if you, you go to, um, Starbucks website and you look at the frappuccino iced frappuccino, you know, we are recording as doing something. [00:15:00] A lot of people that are doing very, a lot of ice drinks. Um, I is actually when you just as something to be mindful of, like when you, when you have an IC ice cold drink, um, your receptors, your sweetness receptors in the mouth get actually numbed.
So you actually don't realize how horrendously sweet something is.
JJ Virgin: I did not know this. This is huge information. No, I did not know.
Magdalena Wszelaki: So, so think of it this way, like have it have ice cream that smelt it right. How disgusting me sweet it is. But when you have it, when it's frozen, it's like, you know, it's just sweet.
I mean, that's the way ice cream should be. Uh, but when it's stowed, I mean, it's pretty gross. And so, yeah, so that's that receptors and getting non-foods there. So, you know, talking about like, I'm not singling out Starbucks here, you know, but I mean, this, this is just, I'm just giving us an example. I mean, you're talking about.
I think it was something like 57 grams of sugar. Right. So let's do the math that gives you, that sets you off with what, you know, um, 57 divided by four. What would that be?
JJ Virgin: Um, [00:16:00] two of what you mean? How many calories? What are you looking for?
Magdalena Wszelaki: Like teaspoons of sugar. Sorry. I'm divided by four. So they'll be like probably 15 teaspoons of sugar.
Um, and that's the small, that's a small size, you know, this is just, um, just to be criminally mindful, um, of that. And. The, so we, you know, we, we just basically doing a low sugar approach with the book, but one of the things I think, which is a redeeming quality is that once you really get off sugar and, and your receptors recalibrate has an, you know, has that have an opportunity to recalibrate.
Recalibrate is really quite wonderful. When you go back and have that cocktail, they used to have in your favorite bar and you just go, oh my God, this is justice gusting. Like how could I ever have that? You know, I could have had been drinking this the whole time. Um, so yeah, I mean, sugar plays a huge role with estrogen dominance as well.
The biggest thing is it's the inflammation that it creates. It raises your cortisol levels, which then brings down your progesterone level. It [00:17:00] feeds candida. It's gonna, you know, it's, it's gonna impact so gut health, uh, because of growth of candida and the gut is also super important to clear out those dirty estrogens we talked about.
So other than my sound kind of complicated, but you know, I think like, would you have done with your books? And what I've done with my book is that we just, you know, when you look at the meal plans and recipes, everything is designed in a way that how to eat breakfast, lunch, and. That is all of those things are packed together so that you lower your blood sugar levels use you don't ever do sugar.
First thing in the morning, I'm a big, big fan of, you know, doing savory breakfast. Um, I've lived around the world and I can tell you right now that if you go to Japan or Turkey or Ethiopia or Peru, everybody, the whole world is eating savory breakfast. And this.
JJ Virgin: Yep. I know I lived in Japan and it was an entirely, we had salad and fish.
Magdalena Wszelaki: Right. You know, I mean, and then you have a bit of miso soup, a bit of rice for breakfast. And I mean, that's, you know, I mean, I'm not saying that's as a, as a Western and you should be doing that, but just [00:18:00] really focusing on savory. So all the whole cookbook is really focused on savory breakfast, starting off the day that way.
And you will see how much less you create sugar throughout the day. When you start off your. Um, that way.
JJ Virgin: So I think it's important because, um, you have been doing research on this for years and years. Like, you know, you've been especially researching, um, herbals and supplements and food and how they impact hormones.
And so you're giving a lot of information right now where people I go, oh my gosh, you don't have to worry because you've laid it out in April. So, so important information, you've laid it out in an important, so what about, we didn't really talk the gene thing though? Like what, what about jeans? Cause you said you had the genes on your mother and your father's side.
So let's talk, you know, you see Angelina Jolie having, uh, a mastectomy because of her, her. Their mom had what, you know, what, what's the gene connection and how much should we be concerned about the genes?
Magdalena Wszelaki: Yeah. So the genes you were referring to Angelina Jolie is [00:19:00] the BRCA one, BRCA two. And you know, I think that's a very personal decision, um, that, you know, she, she had a removal of her breast, but also, um, BRCA can also affect the pancreas as well as the, um, the uterine and as well as ovaries.
Yeah. So the question is, do you re start removing everything or do you change your lifestyle to a place that it doesn't manifest? And so it was a very personal decision. Um, that's not the, uh, that's the minority of cancers, um, in our population that the majority of breast cancer is. The results of estrogen dominance, um, and also progesterone so that you have a lot of women having estrogen receptor positive progesterone, receptor, positive cancer, but what a lot of people don't know, even including practitioners, which is, um, interesting is that the progesterone receptor positive breast cancer is actually the progesterone receptor is actually activated.
Um, and is overly sensitive and is then opens up to cancer because of excess estrogen. So when you lower estrogen, you clean up your [00:20:00] estrogen, your progesterone, that becomes a non-issue,
JJ Virgin: but doesn't progesterone lower estrogen.
Magdalena Wszelaki: No, it doesn't lower estrogen. No, it's they just need to be imbalanced both of them in order to, in order for your body to be in a, um, you know, in a, in a good shape.
Um, so there, there is other markers and I talk about in my book, That you want to look at. And so one of them, the big one is the comp gene COMT, um, you know, which is one that is, um, highly correlated with estrogen dominance. Uh, the, you know, Dr. Ben Lynch has done an excellent job in explaining comps, um, gene.
And so a lot of women who do have the complex. There are super go. Getters are workaholics that are highly accomplished women. Um, and then sometimes it comes at a price where we are much more. Um, well basically this is the gene that helps you to clear the dirty estrogens from your body. And so when you have that inhibited, [00:21:00] then you just have to be living.
Um, you know, if you don't want it to be manifest, you basically gonna live a cleaner lifestyle, supportive with a lot of supplements, have a really clean diet. Anti-inflammatory. Get a ton of sleep. Right? So, um, I mean, this is one, the there's a couple of other ones like MTHFR. I mean, if you have those mutations is something that, it just basically shows you that your liver is not functioning the optimal place.
So there is, there is a role in that, but I will say the comps gene is like the, uh, the biggest one. So out of the five, just to give you an example out of the five KM genes that they are, um, four of mine have double mutations on them. So basically. 80 to 90% of my ability of clearing estrogen is compromised.
Right. And so that explains you to me whenever I go to let's say Italy and I decided to go be a little bit silly and have maybe a little bit of gluten here and there. Very seldom, but I do and I'll have coffee and definitely more wine than I would at home. Um, you know, I definitely have a [00:22:00] PMs from hell and my period is super heavy and very painful, um, as compared to when I don't do it.
And I always used to be really angry with myself thinking like, why is this happening to me? And you know what the rest of the world is living this way? Like, why me? Um, so I just had to go get over that and realized like, Hey, you know what, that's just in my genes and, um, something to honor, you know, but it does come with certain benefits too.
JJ Virgin: it's interesting though, like whenever you start to look at genes and then you look at. You know what the impacts are. You always get down to when you eat an anti-inflammatory diet, when you eat more vegetables, when you sleep better, when you move, when you met, it's like all the stuff that we should be doing, ultimately you go, oh, and I remember just listening to Dr.
Joe Dispenza, who was saying, you know, really 5% of our diseases are actually. You know, due to genes and the majority of it is just due to lifestyle. So I still think we always like all the things you're talking about. If we just all assumed we had these genetic issues [00:23:00] and we made sure that we were exercise and getting good sleep, detoxifying, bad estrogens, eating, eating are mentally balanced.
Right. I mean, we'd be better off.
So let's give people, um, three things. Like if you're going to say the top three things that someone could do listening right now to start taking control of this situation, what would they be?
Magdalena Wszelaki: So the first thing I will say, doing an elimination diet. Uh, right off the bat. Right. And so that's going to be, um, that's definitely the biggest needle mover for our community.
I can't tell you how many women have said in our community. You know, I removes gluten dairy. And, um, and just everything has completely changed. My lumpy breasts are not lumpy anymore. My period is not an event anymore. My, um, hot flashes come completely, completely disappeared. So do the elimination diet you're going to be is going to transform your life?
Uh, I would [00:24:00] say the second thing. About adding things. And so adding cruciferous vegetables, you know, so many people throw away that got them, let us is completely useless. It's like, it's got this nutritionally, very low density. There is not much in there. It's just full of water, it's tasteless. And so you've got up, cover it up with a lot of sugar and salt in order to give it some kind of a flavor.
Um, there are so many more nutritionally, dense vegetables that can really support your hormones. One of them will be things like a rugala mustard, green. You know, focus on adding some collard greens, kale. That's your favorite JJ. Right? I know you love kale,
you know? And so also things like. You know, surround yourself with things like cauliflower, broccoli, broccoli, sprouts are just absolutely freaking amazing. They contain something called sulforaphane, which is a substance that's been shown to have a lot of benefits. But one of the ones I want to focus on today is that [00:25:00] can you imagine little tiny broccoli sprouts can kill stem cells of.
How powerful is that. And there's actually like a number of studies showing that, right? Why are we not talking more about that? So bring on the broccoli sprouts. You can either buy it in the store. You can grow it yourself, takes five days to grow them super easy. And I covered that in the book too. Um, and I would say the third thing to do is, you know, supporting your liver and as an herbalist, I might be skewed towards that, but adding bitter herbs before a meal.
So things like a digestive bitter, something is squirt in your mouth. Just starts the whole cascade of engaging your whole digestive system online, getting ready for the food, digesting everything down, supporting your liver, releasing bile so that, you know, you. Um, by all, by the way, also binds off estrogens in that are, uh, interesting fact here.
Um, you know, it was just something that really can, I mean, so many women just say like they have no more constipation [00:26:00] problems ever since they thought doing, um, they just have bitterness, right. Uh, that will be, and those that just a bittersweet typically contain herbs such as, um, for those of you who may be hardcore, you want to make it yourself, but they will be containing things like.
Dandelion roots, BrewDog crudes are to choke Steve. Um, and the graph is, you know, those are some of the classical, uh, bitterness, but you can combine it with some nice things like orange peel, um, and, um, some other, you know, nicer herbs that you can even out the flavor. Yeah. Have you ever had the, just a bitter as JJ?
JJ Virgin: So I am one of those super bitter tasters.
Magdalena Wszelaki: Oh,
JJ Virgin: I do not like bitter.. Yes, I am. I do not like I'm a super taster and, um, and I, I had to do all this when I was doing freaky eaters show. Like we checked everyone for supertaster I'm a total supertaster I'm super picky. Like if I love coffee, but it cannot sit in. [00:27:00] So I have to have like an Americano made fresh.
I can have all the weird bitter, like bitter. I can't handle it. So, so that would not be something that I would enjoy. Yeah, it was like, I was listening to that going. Ugh. Ugh.
Magdalena Wszelaki: Well, thank goodness. Most people are not supertasters, but you know what I, um, I've, I've formulated my own and, and, um, and they're really nice and balanced.
And so I'd love to send you a, um, a set and there's a before a meal and after a meal let's see what you think.
JJ Virgin: Yeah, because I would love to be able to use them. Um, if they're not, if they're less bitter, I'm sorry. I'm so picky about stuff. It's, it's crazy. But at least say. I know, I know I'm so picky. Well, here's what super cool is.
You have your quiz, that everyone is going to be able to take. And now that you've been listening to this, you're going to want to be taking that, that how estrogenic are you [00:28:00] quiz? I'm gonna put this quiz. You can go take firstname.lastname@example.org forward slash EST quiz. And, um, what is a couple of minutes to get through?
Magdalena Wszelaki: Yeah, totally
JJ Virgin: perfect. So you get through it real quick and important place for you to start. And then you're going to want to get Magdalena's book, which I always loved books that you've done all the hard work, heavy lifting research so that you can just walk through it, you know exactly what to do.
Magdalena Wszelaki: Well, yeah, research is one recipe took as much time.
If not more,
JJ Virgin: the recipes are the hardest Bart. Oh my gosh. Yes they are. I totally get it. My gosh. All right, well, thank you so much for imparting all of this wisdom. I super appreciate it. I appreciate all the work you do in the world. And again, JJ, virgin.com forward slash EST quiz. Go take the quiz. How estrogenic are you and make sure you get overcoming estrogen dominance by doctor my doctor, I just made you [00:29:00] a doctor Magdalena, by Magdalena, Wszelaki, and, and bonus points.
If you can spell that name, right. Thank you, Magdalena.
All right. That was a ton of information in a short amount of time. So you definitely want to want to get overcoming estrogen dominance. Uh, there's a lot. I love about Magdalena's work, but one of the things I love is that she takes all of that research and puts it into soup. Actionable easy to follow steps.
So grab the book, take the email@example.com forward slash B S T quiz. And again, bonus points. If you know how to spell her last name and no cheating by looking it up. All right. If you've not yet subscribed to the podcast, make sure you go to subscribe to jj.com and I'll see you next time.[00:30:00]