ATHE_Transcript_Ep 460_Dr. Stephen Hussey
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Hey JJ, here and today we are gonna be diving into the heart. We have got some amazing insights for you. Into the evolutionary origins of heart disease, and more importantly, why that matters to you and for women, 50% of women die of heart disease. So what I have to say on that is not on my watch and not with my guest today.
And my [00:01:00] guest today is Dr. Stephen Hussey, who is a chiropractor and a functionalist and practitioner. He attained both his doctorate of chiropractic and his master’s in human nutrition and functional medicine from the university of Western states in Portland, Oregon. He’s a health coach speaker and the author of two books on health.
The health evolution, why understanding evolution is the key to vibrant health and understanding the heart surprising insights into the evolution, the origins of heart disease and why it matters. Dr. Hussey guides clients from around the world back to health by using the latest research and heart health attaining strategies and in his downtime.
He likes to be outdoors, play sports, read, write, and travel. And again, we are gonna be digging into this today because this is the single most important aspect to women’s health is their heart health. And I feel like it, it gets the kind of, kind of, it’s not paid as much attention to as things like breast cancer.
So we have a great guest stay with me. We’ll be right [00:02:00] back.
Dr. Stephen Hussey. Welcome to the show.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
JJ Virgin: Well, this is a topic. I just think doesn’t get enough. Attention to it. It’s like the number one killer of women. And. Everyone seems to ignore it. And I’m not quite quite sure why, but I’d love to know how you got interested in heart disease.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, so I mean like many people in this space as my own health journey really. That kind of forced me into, into being passionate about heart disease. As a child, I had a lot of inflammatory conditions that were unexplained by my doctors. You know, everything from chronic hives to inflammatory bowel disease, to asthma, to allergies, all kinds of stuff.
Ultimately ended up with autoimmune type one diabetes. Hmm. And you know, I found out throughout the years that that heavily predisposes me to cardiovascular disease. And so throughout my all my learning, whether it was formal or informal learning or independent research, I’ve been really interested in, in heart [00:03:00] disease and what causes it and how to prevent it.
JJ Virgin: That makes sense. So, you know, there’s been a lot of talk lately. And I have my own thoughts on this because you, you hear the research that only 12% of the population is metabolically healthy. And then you hear that that was before the pandemic. And then I started to look into what they called metabolic health.
And I’m like, I don’t think that’s optimally health, optimally healthy. So let’s talk about first of all, how you define metabolic. .
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, I, I mean, I could even step back and say, how do I define health? And that’s the ability of the body to adapt to different situations, whether that’s your nervous system adapting or your metabolism, adapting to different fuel sources.
But I would define metabolic health as the ability of the body to readily go back and forth from burning different fuel sources. And And not have to have an adaptation period, period, like, like people who go on ketogenic diets they have to have this, you know, two to six week period where they have this [00:04:00] keto flu because those bodies forgotten to learn how to burn fats.
So metabolic health would be not having that, having that period. And you can go back and forth from burning carbohydrates and fat easily. But also. From a very, you know I guess testing standpoint, it would be low triglycerides and low fasting insulin. That would
JJ Virgin: Alright, define when you say that low triglycerides, what your, your ideal number is?
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So for me, it would be less than a hundred.
JJ Virgin: Right. I know that that study was like triglycerides less than 150. I go, that’s not ideal. no.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: And that study didn’t include fasting insulin, which I think is right.
JJ Virgin: Really important number. Most lab tests don’t include fasting insulin. I go that, that you, you just missed the bigger, more important part of the equation.
So mm-hmm yes, that’s a great point. Why do people want and need to know their fasting insulin and what should it
Dr. Stephen Hussey: be? Yeah. So for me a good fasting insulin is probably below 10. Ideal is probably below five. That would, that would indicate that your body is very insulin sensitive, responding to [00:05:00] insulin very well.
And the reason we want that to be happening is because insulin is the, is the hormone that signals for growth and repair. And if we become resistant to. To that hormone. Then we’re not getting growth and repair, which can become very problematic in lots of different aspects in the body. Cuz insulin signaling happens pretty much everywhere in the body.
But the reason that fasting insulin is so important is because you could have normal blood sugar. Or normal A1C. And then your doctor would be like, oh, you’re fine. You’re not even prediabetic. You’re fine. You know, but you could have very high fasting insulin levels, which suggests that your body’s having to use more insulin to keep that blood sugar normal, which suggests your insulin resistance.
So you could pick up that insulin resistance years before it ever becomes prediabetes or diabetes. .
JJ Virgin: Yeah, I, I, I’m just amazed that, that, that just isn’t like standard. Well, there’s a couple things that should be standard. Like how is vitamin D not standard? you know, I mean, there’s like, yeah, there’s, there’s a couple problems out there, but this one is, especially, you have to make a point of getting that in your lab test because you’re [00:06:00] just not getting what you need in the picture for this.
So someone is insulin resistant and they wanna become insulin sensitive. What do they do?
Dr. Stephen Hussey: I think number one I mean, these, these are metabolic issues, so it all, it really comes down to, to diet. I mean, there’s lots of different ways that you, or things that contribute to insulin resistance, but diet is number one.
And I think the main thing causing a disruption or breaking our metabolism causing insulin resistance is the seed oils that are so pervasive in our food supply. And I’m talking about the canola oil, the corn oil. Soy oil, safflower oils, those types of oils.
JJ Virgin: Yeah, name them all. I want, I really want people to understand this.
I think this is not talked about enough and what drives me crazy is you go to the health food stores and they’re using these oils. Mm-hmm and, and, and so, you know, you go in the health food store and you think everything is healthy, cuz it’s called a health food store, but then it’s got canola oil.
Posing in there. So, so let’s go through them and then I want you to really talk about why these are so dangerous and why just a [00:07:00] little bit is not
Dr. Stephen Hussey: okay. Yeah. I, and, and and my favorite is whole foods. You go into whole foods and to like the prepared food bar, you know, and everything, and they have everything soaked in canola oil which is everything cooked in canola oil.
Yeah, that’s
JJ Virgin: just, I mean, that is criminal, honestly.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, because this is it’s touted as being healthier. The store is generally touted as being healthier. So yeah, there’s a few reasons why we don’t want even a little bit of those oils. The first one is that they’re, they, they contribute to a lot of what’s called oxidative stress or inflammation or damage in the body.
I would say because these oils themselves are very easily damaged because they’re polyunsaturated. Which means that they’re less stable when they exposed to like heat and light. And so somewhere along the line, They’ve been transported in a hot truck where they’ve been exposed to too much light.
And so they’re very they’re, they become oxidized and they become this damaging molecule when they get into your body. But even when they get into your body, if they weren’t oxidized they’re very prone to oxidation. So even as they get metabolized or as they’re exposed to other free radicals and things in our bodies, they become oxidized and then contribute to this bigger issue, [00:08:00] which is oxidative stress and inflammation.
So that, that, that would be the first one you can measure, you know, Peroxidation of, of different fats in the body, if you wanted to look for that kind of stuff. But to me, the bigger issue is that when you look at how these oils are metabolized in you know, in our cells you know, in a way that, you know, would allow us to make energy when these specific oils are metabolized, they seem to break our metabolism.
They seem to send signals to the fat cells that tell the fat cells to be insulin sensitive, which makes them take in more energy and get bigger and bigger which can lead to weight gain. But also when that happens the body sends out signaling molecules fatty acid signaling molecules to the rest of the body, telling it to be insulin resistant.
And that becomes the issue in the endothelial cells and the immune system all over the body for insulin resistant. Our body’s not functioning like it’s supposed to. So that’s the bigger issue.
JJ Virgin: Yeah. So you, you just told, showed your body how to become a better fat store. Exactly right. And not to be able to use any kind of [00:09:00] stored fat for fuel, you just lock the door.
So yeah, exactly. I don’t think Anyone
Dr. Stephen Hussey: listening wants that. Yeah. And when these fat cells you start, you know, they become insulin sensitive. They take start taking in more energy, everybody. Has this personal fat threshold. So that’s why you can get someone who looks pretty skinny or healthy, but they can be insulin resistant because they’ve reached their fat threshold.
They’re not gonna gain too much weight. And you could also get someone who is overweight, who hasn’t reached that threshold yet and is not diabetic yet, or is not insulin resistant yet. So everybody’s got this different fat threshold, but when you reach that fast fat threshold. The, the fatty acids actually start kind of spewing outta the fat cells cause it can’t hold anymore.
And that is what I think of as if I think of triglycerides high in the blood. That’s when that’s happening, there’s fat spilling out into the bloodstream and we’re getting high triglycerides, which is indicative of poor metabolic health insulin resistance. Mm-hmm
JJ Virgin: so. So besides the, basically those fat cells being, being more receptive and welcoming , which is not what we want.
Is that the key way that that weight gain’s happening [00:10:00] or what else is going on?
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, I mean, that, that, I mean, that’s the key way that I would say that vegetable oils contribute to weight gain it’s because they signal the fat cells to take in more energy. But then if you look at the standard American diet, not only is it full.
Vegetable oils that are breaking the metabolism. It’s also full of processed carbohydrates the grains and the processed sugars and things like that, which is just throwing energy into the equation, which then these insulin sensitive fat cells just start soaking it all up and they get bigger and bigger and bigger.
JJ Virgin: Yeah, it’s, it’s really quite stunning at this point. Now, when you go into the grocery stores, if you try to, if you go in and you go, okay, I’m not gonna get any damaged seed oils and I’m not gonna do any kind of gluten grains and I’m gonna stay away from like, You know, go to the vegetable section and go to the clean protein section and that’s about it.
What about atherosclerosis since we are talking heart health and let’s, let’s kind of dig into that atherosclerosis, cholesterol, how to look at things correctly. Mm-hmm .
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So the reason that, so there’s plenty of [00:11:00] research that shows that like the, the tri to HDL ratio or the fasting insulin markers of insulin resistance are way better biomarkers of if someone’s gonna have atherosclerosis
JJ Virgin: rather than…lett’s first define atherosclerosis for everybody too, we’re gonna break this all down.
So everyone has very specifics of what they can go and. Ask their doctor for so first off atherosclerosis,
Dr. Stephen Hussey: so atherosclerosis is the, is the hardening of the arteries, you know, damage, the lining of artery where there’s, you know, ends up being a cholesterol deposition or, or mineral deposition into the lining of the artery which restricts its function.
Right. But the curious thing is, is that there’s a pathology book that I I’ve read. And it, and it asked. 29 different so-called experts in atherosclerosis, what their definition was, and they were all pretty much different. So we don’t necessarily fully understand how this happens. But we do understand that it happens and that it’s this hardening of the arteries.
And so that’s the that’s atherosclerosis.
JJ Virgin: Okay. And how does cholesterol play into that and what should we really be looking at? Cause you talked about the triglyceride HDL ratio. Like I’d [00:12:00] love to have you break down those different numbers that people should be looking at mm-hmm and understand how they, how they impact.
Heart health.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So the tri HDL ratio is an indicator that we’re insulin resistant. So there triglycerides, like we mentioned before, we want lower than a hundred HGL, I would want 50 or higher, but the ratio between the two is important. So we take that ratio. It should be, if we take triglycerides divided by HDL, it should be 1.5 or lower that would indicate, you know, good metabolic health or one thing that would indicate good metabolic health.
And so. The reason that that’s relevant is because a, we’re not looking at total cholesterol or LDL, which is what everybody’s so hyper focused on. And you know, when we look into that, there’s really no sound evidence that those things on their own being elevated is indicative of any type of more heart disease or more heart attacks or
whatever.
JJ Virgin: And that such an important note, because that is still the thing that they’re trying to drive down. When some studies show. That’s could create
Dr. Stephen Hussey: more problems. [00:13:00] Exactly. And some of the drugs they use to drive that down have been shown to actually create atherosclerosis because they inhibit, you know the formation of K2, which is important for getting minerals where they need to go, which is not in the lining of the artery, it’s in the bones and things like that.
Right. So yeah. So yeah, but the, the reason that the marker of insulin resistance. is so good at predicting whether or not someone’s gonna have atherosclerosis, which is one form of heart disease is because the key to, to atherosclerosis is that we get, we get damage to the lining of our arteries.
This is just it it’s it almost normally supposed to happen. We get normal wear and tear. We can’t get too much of it in today’s world. And we have all this, you know, chronic stress and toxin exposure and poor diet and stuff like that that can lead to these, these insults to the lining of the artery. And the lining of the artery is supposed to be able to repair itself from this, this general wear and tear.
However, the repair of those endothelial cells, the cells that line the artery is dependent on insulin signaling. And so if we become insulin resistant, then we get that damage to the lining of the artery. [00:14:00] And it cannot repair itself fast enough or at all, because it doesn’t have insulin signaling or proper insulin signaling.
And that leads to this inflamed damaged area that keeps kind of perpetuating. And so the body has to make a decision. It says, okay, we can just let this keep going. And the artery will rupture, which would be a very bad thing, cuz then we’d bleed out or we could repair it with something, something else, you know?
And, and so it. Cholesterol and, and other molecules, calcium, things like that, other minerals, and almost uses it as spackle to repair this lining or, or patch up this lining of the artery. That’s not the best fixed long term, but it’s a fixed in the, in the moment that that works. And if we keep getting that damage, we’ll keep getting more and more of this build up of this narrowing of the artery and this repair.
And that’s when we get pretty advanced Atheros product.
JJ Virgin: Yep. I have a buddy who is a cardiovascular surgeon who stopped doing that because he was, he said, you know, I was going in and doing angio blasts and, and trying to fix this and I’d fix it and then they’d go back and then they’d come back in. I have to [00:15:00] fix it.
he’s like, we weren’t getting anywhere, you know, mm-hmm , it’s like, so you really have to make those shifts. How would someone know that they have this issue right now? How, how would someone know how much damage they currently.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: As far as damage to the lining of an artery mm-hmm there are certain markers you could take, like the LPP LA 2 or Mylo peroxidase are two markers you could take in blood work that would tell you help you assess, you know, how inflamed the lining of the artery is, or arteries are in general.
But you could also look at your levels of oxidative stress or inflammation of the bias. You could look at a high sensitivity C reactive protein. You could look at a GGT which is a liver enzyme that. More oxidative stress in the liver. And there’s lots of different other things you could do, you know, markers of DNA damage or like I was talking about before markers of lipid damage, just different things that suggest oxidative stress, but one that’s become more popular recently is a CT scan called a CAC score that people can take of their coronary arteries, their arteries in the heart.
However that. Score is a CT. And it’ll just tell you if there’s calcified areas, it won’t tell you like how much soft plaque or, [00:16:00] or yeah. Newly developed atherosclerosis. Is there so it can give you an idea of, of like long term, how you’ve been doing, but really also, you know, a CAC score is like one snapshot in time.
It’s really more useful if you have multiple ones to see how you’re going. Cause I’ve had people who have come to me and said, I’ve been doing all the right things for years now and trying to reverse, you know, or, or get better health or whatever. And I get a CAC score and it’s like 200 what’s going on.
It’s like, well, how do you know it? Didn’t start at 800. You know, cuz you just have this one score. So I, I just remind people of that. Yeah.
JJ Virgin: I think what’s important here is that you’ve gotta go beyond the basic blood tests that you’re. Yeah, definitely. There’s a lot more to look at. I’m gonna dig more into that and more about what you can do about this right after the break.
We’ll be right back.
All right. So what I would love to know next is so someone has some damage and can you reverse this damage?
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, interestingly [00:17:00] yes, and I’m living proof. So I actually one of the things that got me interested in, you know, I’m type one diabetic I’m heavily predisposed. I actually got some Atheroscotic damage in my lower leg or in my leg up like.
Causing lower leg symptoms kind of peripheral artery disease. And I implemented some different things and I have now reversed that damage. So I’m happy to say that. Yes, you can and I’m living proof. But I’m not the only one. But
JJ Virgin: right. But yeah, you can’t just say I implemented some things now, you know, I’m gonna dig in and go.
And so those things would be what.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So those things would be. You know, when I think about the things that, that cause heart disease, it’s the poor metabolic health which my metabolic health is, has been good for a long time because I’m, I’m strict about that and diet and stuff, but it was also oxidative stress.
So things that cause oxidative stress, so that can be diet, but it can also be toxin exposures in your environment. It can also be chronic psychological stress these things that contribute to, to inflammation, oxidative stress. So when I look at the five big things in your environment, you should pay attention to, to reduce your.
Of environmental [00:18:00] toxins you’re exposed to it’s, it’s your food? Mm-hmm it’s your water? It’s your air. It’s your cosmetics and your cleaning products. Those are five big areas. You wanna make sure that the things you’re using are the least toxic as possible. The least amount of plastics, the least amount of pesticide sprayed you know, filtering your water filtering your air, all those types of things.
Is there mold in your house, all this different stuff, contribute to inflammation and oxidative stress in your body. And that’s the. That destroys the lining of the artery. And so it was, it was looking into my environment there, but then also I think the biggest thing I did was the use of infrared.
And, and so you know, how many
JJ Virgin: days a week are you doing in infared sauna?
Dr. Stephen Hussey: At least five, if not a day. Wow. Holy smokes. Yeah. And I upped it cause I was doing it a little bit, you know, before, but I upped it quite a bit when I got that, that diagnosis. So
JJ Virgin: and what did you see happen from that? I, I love that so much.
I have a sunlight and infrared sauna, but I do not use it five days a week. my gosh. I’m like, and I haven’t figured out how to travel with it. So that’s the other problem. Yeah, that’s rough. That’s [00:19:00] right. Yeah. It’s not very portable. So what have you seen happen with that use of the infrared sauna and how long are you using it for?
Yeah,
Dr. Stephen Hussey: so I use it. For about 20 minutes every day and I have the little relaxed farm for sauna. So it’s pretty concentrated. It’s not like a big space. And it gets you hot really quick. So one of the things that sauna does, is it detoxes you, which is helping me get rid of those environmental toxins that no matter how hard I try, I’m gonna be exposed to.
And the, but the other thing is, is that it, it energizes the water and my. Which helps it form structured water onto the lining of the artery and structured water on the lining of the artery does two things. One, it promotes blood flow and it’s, it’s, it might be the main reason or the main way by, by which blood moves.
And the second thing is, is that the way that it structures itself, it forms a protective barrier on the lining of the artery which nothing can really penetrate besides small hydrated ions. So small hydrated minerals, pretty much. So anything else that’s not structured? Water will not penetrate the lining, cannot insult the lining, allowing it to heal as long as we have good insulin signaling.
All right.
JJ Virgin: Well, five days a [00:20:00] week, I now have a new, a new goal. although I have been cold plunging every single day. That’s that’s when my, yeah, latest one. Okay. So beyond. Diet and sauna, what else have you done?
Dr. Stephen Hussey: I also did a few supplements just healthier nutrients for the lining of the artery.
Things like vitamin K2 and taurine which you find, you know, Pretty high in, in animal products, which I like to point out because people like to say that animal products cause heart disease, but that’s much higher in, in in animal foods. And it’s really good for the lining of the artery.
Also some Citraline and L arginine which are helping heal the endothelial cells and help them function better. and also did a little serrapeptase so things that are gonna help break down, you know clots and fib rous like tissue in the body which is what that atherosclerosis can become.
So I did that stuff as well.
JJ Virgin: And so you just threw one out there. I’ve gotta, I’ve gotta pull up because you said You know, there is such this, this thought process out there and, you know, I’ll ask people what [00:21:00] they eating. I always ask everyone what they eat and you know, they, and, and it’s almost like people are embarrassed if they eat red meat and now, but I’d only one or two servings a week and it’s grass fed.
What do you, what do you say about, because there’s so much misinformation out there. I think that like animal products cause heart disease. mm-hmm when you really look at it and go, just like you pulled out damaged seed oils and processed grains are, if you really look at it, those are the problems, but somehow, you know, the grass fed cows have gotten beaten up.
So what do you say about that? How, you know, why is there this big myth out there that that animal fat and animal protein causes heart disease. I think part of it might be because, you know, the challenge I always have is you cannot compare a factory cow to a grass fed and finished pastured cow.
They’re totally different things. But what do you say to all of that? To put people’s minds at
Dr. Stephen Hussey: ease? Yeah. I say that when we look at the history of how that idea came. It doesn’t make sense. There was a lot of low quality science that [00:22:00] was done that, that brought people to that conclusion about, you know, the saturated fat and cholesterol, which is in animal foods.
Does that cause heart disease and, you know, the foundation for that argument is based on what’s called epidemiological studies or associational studies that can’t really prove causation. It can’t flesh out the different factors that, that maybe. Identifying those associations. And then when you, when you actually look at it, when that theory was tested, like in the sixties, and they did do clinical trials and stuff, where they had people replace saturated fat with unsaturated fat they did not get the result.
They were expecting. In fact, the people who ate more unsaturated fat had more heart disease and more all cause mortality. And so, but by that time, this theory had taken off. There was a lot of, there was a lot of money and. And support pushing this theory along. And so it kind of stuck until the science started coming out even more and more, and people started pushing back and we’re starting to see more and more evidence now that this is not the case.
And unfortunately, It’s almost like conventional wisdom now that that people think that animal foods cause heart disease, which is a travesty to [00:23:00] me because animal foods, you know, in a, in a population that is severely undernourished yet over fed animal foods can be that food that provides you a lot of protein, a lot of minerals, a lot of good energy source in the form of fat and people are avoiding it.
And it’s really sad to me because we need it more than ever.
JJ Virgin: Right. Yeah, I’ve been, I’ve been doing a bunch of interviews for a summit. I’m putting on what to eat, Wendy and why. And I’ve been asking every, all the speakers, like what are the three foods you would take if you were take going to a deserted island and you couldn’t have anything like there’s no fish or anything else, and you could only have those three foods and Grass fed beef with all of ’em it’s like the majority are like grass fed beef you know?
Yeah, yeah. Some are wild salmon, but it’s, it’s, you know, pretty much everyone’s had animal protein in there. Mm-hmm so pretty telling. But it is crazy how these MIS take hold. And then you just can’t seem to shake ’em loose no matter what I mean, it’s, some of my closest friends will say, but I only eat [00:24:00] red meat once or twice a week.
And I’m like, why mm-hmm where did that come from? You know?
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And then, and then, like I said, there’s all this industry backing into that idea. And so that’s what we see on TV. That’s what we see from academic institutions and government agencies. That’s what they’re recommending, you know? So it’s just people who don’t take the time to look into it.
That’s what they’re getting bombarded with. Right.
JJ Virgin: And then you always have to look at where those recommendations came from. That’s why I love the fact that you went back and did evolutionary origins of heart disease. It’s like, why did this all start? What’s changed. I mean, you look at what, what happened around the, you know, turn of the 19th century versus now, and the change in our diet and all.
And it’s like, okay, what’s changed. right. I mean, exactly. You know, so much has changed is kind of
Dr. Stephen Hussey: crazy, but yeah, and that’s, you know, how I understand things from evolutionary perspective is what helped me to understand stuff. And so I went back and I, I looked at all that in my book and, and, and, and I hope people realize that all the time I went through evolutionarily to build up to this.
Then in 1950, we [00:25:00] decided fat was bad and saturated fat was bad. It doesn’t make sense.
JJ Virgin: No, it doesn’t. It was well, when I was writing sugar impact diet I went back and. Everything I could find. And, and it is, it is so clear. The case against sugar is so clear and this one, horrible human . That’s all I can say, cuz I mean, I think, you know, he is responsible for hurting so many people, this Ansel keys, he really is the person that made the shift to make us think cholesterols bad, like misinterpreting the study and, and that sugar makes you know, that that sugar is not the problem.
Fat makes us. And everything flipped and everyone got afraid of fat and everyone started thinking sugar was okay. And I was like, hold on. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Scary. So yeah. Now look where we are and you know, it’s, you look at the metabolic damage that’s happened and you know, it doesn’t happen overnight.
So you make these shifts and it seems like it’s okay because these things, you know, diabetes happens [00:26:00] over over a decade, not over a day and all of a sudden you go, gosh, now what. Yeah. Now what do we
Dr. Stephen Hussey: do? Yeah. Which is why that fasting insulin number is so important because diabetes does develop over a decade.
What if we caught it in the second year? Yeah. Yeah,
JJ Virgin: then we could give ’em more medications.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: that would, that would be the approach
JJ Virgin: is the prediabetic medication, right? It’s like, oh my goodness. Yeah. all right. We, we won’t even go down that path. now I know that you have a great handout for everybody because.
It, it is confusing going to the store. And I think that, you know, unless you know which oils you should be looking for, which, or shouldn’t be buying and which fats you should be looking for, what you should be eating, what you shouldn’t be. You know, one of the most therapeutic things you can do is I call it making an oil change, kind of a play off a car, but it’s really.
Making shifting fats and knowing what are the good fats and what aren’t. So you’ve got a grocery shopping list with studies to back it up. Right. That you’re gonna give everybody that’s right.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Just kind of going through the, the top five fats you [00:27:00] should be looking for and shouldn’t be looking for perfect in, in the grocery
JJ Virgin: store.
Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you know, you just really need a couple go-to’s. Mm-hmm yeah, couple staples. What do you cook with, what do you put on your salad? And by the way, those salad dressings, and especially in, I, I, I’m still, I went to the health food store. I was looking at all the salad dressings. I’m like, they all, except for my buddy Mark’s primal kitchen, all the rest of ’em have crap.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: exactly. Yeah. And, and they’re chatted as being healthy. Yeah,
JJ Virgin: tries me nuts. I’m I’m gonna do my best to expose that because this is really hurting us and it’s just, it’s just wrong. So we’re gonna put that fat guide. We’ll make it simple. We’ll put it at JJvirgin.com/fatguide. There you go. Don’t like to overthink them.
So again, you can grab that. Go arm to the grocery store with this. So you’ll know exactly what to do. Get it at JJvirgin.com/fatguide. And Dr. Hussey. Thank you so much for being with me today.
Dr. Stephen Hussey: Thanks for having me.[00:28:00]
JJ Virgin: All right. There’s so many crazy things out there in the world of heart health, that again, started, started back in the day when all of a sudden fat was bad. So that really triggered a whole lot of problems as you can see. So I wanna make sure you do go to the grocery store, knowing which oils you should be running away from and which oils and fats you can be focusing on.
There’s just a couple, once you learn. Stock your pantry, your golden, right? And again, just like sugar hiding in so many sauces, same with bad seed oils. They hide in a lot of these dressings and sauces. So the easiest thing is to make your own. And by the way, in the sugar impact diet and Virgin diet, I have like amazing recipes for salad dressing.
So that’s a little, a little tip for you. Okay. So remember to get that guide to JJvirgin.com/fatguide. And if you are not a subscriber yet, I don’t want you to miss anything. So go to subscribetojj.com so [00:29:00] that you can subscribe and review and I’ll see you next time.