Discover Why Your Immune System Is Smarter Than You Think

“Nature has never allowed an injury that she didn’t already have a solution to.” – Dr. Zach Bush

In this transformative episode, I sat down with Dr. Zach Bush, a physician whose journey from ICU medicine to understanding the human ecosystem has revolutionized how we think about health and healing. We explored the profound connection between human health and our relationship with nature, diving deep into why illness isn’t a failure of the body but often a reset mechanism for healing. Dr. Bush shared groundbreaking insights about how our disconnection from nature has led to chronic disease, and more importantly, how we can reverse this through simple, powerful reconnections with the natural world. His message of hope – that we can restore our health and the planet’s wellbeing through embracing nature’s intelligence – couldn’t come at a more critical time for women seeking genuine, sustainable wellness solutions.

What you’ll learn:

  • Why getting sick isn’t a failure of your immune system, but often a necessary reset mechanism
  • How our obsession with “killing germs” is actually compromising our health and resilience
  • The surprising truth about human biology – we’re not just a body, but a complex ecosystem
  • Why connecting with nature is more powerful than any biohacking technique
  • The revolutionary approach to healing that starts with curiosity and self-discovery
  • How women’s intuitive, process-oriented nature holds the key to both personal and planetary healing
  • The power of witnessing and being witnessed in our healing journey

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[00:00:00] JJ: I’m J. J. Virgin, Ph. D. dropout, sorry mom, turned four time New York Times best selling author. I’m a certified nutrition specialist, fitness hall of famer, and I speak at health conferences and trainings around the globe, but I’m driven, most of all, by my insatiable curiosity and love of science. To keep asking questions, digging for answers, and sharing the information that I uncover with as many people as I can, and that’s where you come in.

[00:00:35] JJ: That’s why I created the Well Beyond 40 podcasts to synthesize and simplify the science of health into actionable strategies to help you. In each episode, we’ll talk about what’s working in the world of wellness, from personalized nutrition and healing your metabolism, to powerful aging and prescriptive fitness.

[00:00:56] JJ: Join me on the journey to better health, so you can love how you look and feel right now and have the energy to play full out in the world. Don’t miss an episode, subscribe now at subscribetojj. com to start unlocking your healthiest, most energetic self. So before today’s interview, I decided to really tune in to Dr.

[00:01:23] JJ: Zach Bush. It’s funny, we’ve been at so many events together and we never seem to connect. And I started to go get into his work and then get more into his work. And it’s one of those things that as you start to listen to Zach, you start to read, um, his blogs and information and watch him. The more that you get into it, the more you want to know.

[00:01:49] JJ: And yet, What you’re going to hear, it’s going to feel like you already knew it. It’s going to feel like you’re remembering. It’s going to feel almost like you’re coming home. And you’ll get what I mean about that when you listen to this interview. Let me tell you a little bit about Dr. Zach Bush. He is a renowned multidisciplinary physician of internal medicine, endocrinology, hospice care, And an internationally recognized educator on the microbiome and the mitochondria as they relate to human health, soil health, food systems, and a regenerative future.

[00:02:22] JJ: And you may have heard about him talking about the ecosystem, And planetary health and on what the heck is that and what you’re going to learn is that you as a human being are actually a human ecosystem and that’s what we’re going to be talking about today and how you can use that to get back to health.

[00:02:42] JJ: And again, as I’ve listened to him and dug into this, you’re going to see how this Wild background where he started out, you know, basically in the ICUs, then shifted over to endocrinology and metabolism, then ended up doing hospice care. How all of this has come together to create this beautiful synergy that allowed him to have a realization that we are our microbes and that restoring that microbial balance restores your health and how you can go about doing that.

[00:03:11] JJ: And that we are not doomed as a planet. Because of all the glyphosates and all the things that we’ve done but yet we can actually start to turn this around fairly quickly because the body is built to heal. So this is a super interesting inspiring interview and one that I knew as I was going into it because I literally had 80 questions.

[00:03:32] JJ: Like I went through and researched and I started just going question after question went all right I’m just gonna put these all here and I know I’ll get to maybe So this is part one of part many, because this is someone who you will want to be studying for the duration. He is amazing. So without further ado, I’m going to bring you Dr.

[00:03:53] JJ: Zach Bush. And I’m also going to let you know that I’ve put all of the information. He does so many cool things. He founded the Seraphic group. And the non profit Farmer’s Footprint. So this was all done to develop root cause solutions for human and ecological health. He’s got his product line ION. Um, he’s got a course, he’s got community, all sorts of cool stuff.

[00:04:17] JJ: So I’m putting all of that there. It’s going to be at jjvirgin. com forward slash. Dr. Zach, and it’s spelled Z A C H, where you’ll learn about that, you can learn about journey of intrinsic health, you can learn about intelligence of nature, so all that good stuff I’m putting it all in one place, because I know that when you listen to a little bit of Dr.

[00:04:37] JJ: Zach Bush, you’re going to want a whole lot more. So stay with me. I’ll be right back.

[00:04:56] JJ: Dr. Zach Bush, I have been binging your content. I am so excited. I hope you have 10 hours because I got a lot of questions, but what I thought would be fun to frame this with is I had a nutrition mentor early on and it used to be because I worked in weight loss at every January, like by the end of January, I would get like, Some horrible cold.

[00:05:19] JJ: I always said, oh, it’s because January is such a crazy month. I’m working too hard. The weather changed. Some ridiculous things I told myself. And then this nutrition mentor said, no, you just shouldn’t get sick. And it was such a paradigm shift for me because in my mind it was like, oh, colds were normal.

[00:05:35] JJ: And he’s like, no, that’s not normal. You should never get sick. And it just changed my operating system, my belief system. And then I heard you talking about that on a podcast. So I’d love to talk to start. With this whole idea, because we’ve so normalized disease and being sick, right? Where it’s, it actually shouldn’t be at all.

[00:05:58] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, and I think there’s a potent differentiation between acute illness and chronic illness. Uh, the chronic illness is something that should be fully avoidable and repairable. And so we should be able to backtrack out of, you know, any chronic condition. Uh, the difference there for me is actually an increasing appreciation for the role of acute, you know, inflammation in longevity or health or all of this.

[00:06:22] Dr. Zach Bush: And this is a reframing for all of us to start to understand we’d been so programmed with the belief that microbes and viruses were out to attack us and that a healthy body was prone to attack from these things. So we needed to sterilize our environment. So we needed to. Hand wipes and antibiotics and all these things to kind of combat this environment that was attacking the healthy human.

[00:06:45] Dr. Zach Bush: What we have learned over the last 50 years of, you know, increasing amount of data around the role of the microbiome in physiology. Forget it just human physiology, but the physiology of a farm field or an earthworm. Any, any complex ecosystem we’re starting to realize is fully dependent upon high numbers of connections between biodiverse inputs.

[00:07:07] Dr. Zach Bush: And so this is kind of the difference between the rain forest and. Which you could think of like a botanical garden and, you know, that I grew up my kids around in Denver. So you go to a botanical garden and some. Some group of, you know, naturalists or botanists have come and pulled species out of all over the place, over the world, so you can go see species in the middle of Denver, in the middle of winter, in a big greenhouse, and you’re looking at palm trees, and you’re looking at things.

[00:07:33] Dr. Zach Bush: So, botanic garden is biodiversity without the purpose or without the capacity of connection. So, biodiversity for the sake of biodiversity. It’s not what nature does. Nature does Diversity for the purpose of communication. Communication then increases biodiversity. Biodiversity increases communication. So it’s the stacking function and the pattern of life on a planet, or you know, within the cosmos at large, is a literal stacking of functions.

[00:08:01] Dr. Zach Bush: And so nature by the, the fabric by which we are created. Whether we’re talking about the atomic physics level of a single atom, all the way up to a single molecule, to a cell, to a large organism, relies on these stacking functions of complexity. And the more complex you get, the more diversity it takes to maintain that system.

[00:08:22] Dr. Zach Bush: The more diversity, the more allowance is made for these stacking functions. And so there’s a tendency to take for granted what it means to be human. You know, we, we wake up one morning, you know, we think we’re this person and then we get sick and we think we’re now a sick person. Uh, and then we get chronically ill and we think, well, I’m just an aging, you know, person, therefore I have chronic illness.

[00:08:45] Dr. Zach Bush: I have osteoarthritis, I have these diseases. And so we can write off a lot of things without thinking deeper into this. And so, If we back up for a second, just ask that question, what does it mean to be alive? And we come up with a pretty extraordinary answer. It means that you have a, you have a logarithmic increase in the concentration of light.

[00:09:03] Dr. Zach Bush: The difference between physics and biology is a concentration of light energy. To get a single stacking function of complexity, get a bacteria to occur, you’re now at a thousand times more light energy per cubic centimeter than the surface of the sun. So just to get a microbe to do the complexity of life at this level of a bacterium, you’re at this thousand fold increase in light concentration.

[00:09:27] Dr. Zach Bush: To then leap to a nematode or an earthworm, some multicellular creature, you have to 10x that concentration of light again. And so at the level of a human, you’re 10, 000 times brighter than the sun per cubic centimeter. And interestingly, that light is coming from the sun. And so the way in which this works is the sun shines down on a planet, microbes in the form of what we call plant plastids living inside of plant cells will collect that sunlight and store it between carbons.

[00:09:54] Dr. Zach Bush: We call these things chlorophyll. And so chlorophyll is this amazing little bacterium that grabs CO2 out of the atmosphere and stores sunlight between the carbons. And that is the perfect battery for life to run on. So life is a concentration of light energy held in the battery of carbon. Carbon is passed from organism to organism in the form of carbohydrates or fats.

[00:10:16] Dr. Zach Bush: And those, those are basically the mechanism by which sunlight travels. And so when you think of a sugar or a carbohydrate, or you think of fats, what you’re really describing is a battery storage for sunlight. And when you absorb that into your body, the mitochondria break those apart and release the sunlight.

[00:10:32] Dr. Zach Bush: And the mitochondria are the ones that are now, you know, with its, you know, cooperation with the chlorophyll, able to concentrate light to the point of being as bright as biology requires. And so then we get to, to think back, okay, wow, if, if brightness, you know, the amount of light energy per cubic centimeter determines your ability to be alive, then what is illness?

[00:10:52] Dr. Zach Bush: Illness is basically two options. One is an acute stressor on the organism. It might be, for me, it’s oftentimes lack of sleep. I’ve now recognized over and over again that I never get a virus. I get colds often from a lack of sleep. And so if I go five or seven nights without sleep, I’ll get some congestion and I’ll get this.

[00:11:10] Dr. Zach Bush: But that’s not because there’s some new organism that’s attacking me, it’s because I lowered my light energy to the point where my body needed to reset its energetics. And it uses acute inflammation to do that. And so when we think of fever, cough, you know, inflammation of the vascular tree, the body is literally saying, all right, we need a stressor to come in and change the direction of this organism’s current dimming of the lights.

[00:11:34] Dr. Zach Bush: And so fever is a really potent way to reduce wasted energy. And so it destroys, you know, cells that are not functioning well and kind of, it’s basically reprioritizes life and re concentrates your most potent cells ready to go. To rebirth. And so for that, I think we can start to really appreciate that stressors that start to dim our lights, call in acute inflammation to reset the baseline.

[00:11:57] Dr. Zach Bush: So acute inflammation, whether it be a cold or the microfractures in your bone that occur when you run down the staircase, those are really life building. Those are your rebirth process. And to build a strong, vital body, you need constant rebirth. Atrophy is the main risk for death. Any, anything that stops flow, anything where you stop this cycle of generative action, injury, repair, injury, repair, injury, repair.

[00:12:25] Dr. Zach Bush: You stop injuring, you stop repairing. And the body goes into atrophy very quickly.

[00:12:30] JJ: And it’s like lifting weights, right?

[00:12:33] Dr. Zach Bush: Lifting weights.

[00:12:34] JJ: Yeah. Same concept.

[00:12:36] Dr. Zach Bush: Same concept. You’re stressing the body to force it to adapt to a higher level of energy per cubic centimeter, basically. And so you can do that with fever.

[00:12:45] Dr. Zach Bush: You can do it with a workout. You can do it with, you know, cold plunge. You’re stressing the body to get this reactive, you know, uh, capacity for, for more. Energy per cubic centimeter. So acute inflammation via exercise or an acute, you know, quote unquote viral syndrome, which really it’s just, it’s me basically utilizing the viruses in my body to reset my baseline.

[00:13:10] Dr. Zach Bush: It’s not the virus attacking me. And so you have to have some reason for your body to express a virus before it goes and takes the effort towards the fever and the reset and this effort towards the gain of function that any virus will offer you. Okay. Chronic inflammation is a different story. Chronic inflammation is now where you’ve superseded the level of stress, the level of stress you’re experiencing on a daily has superseded your body’s ability to jump you back up to a higher level of function.

[00:13:37] Dr. Zach Bush: So acute inflammation gets you to a new reset. Chronic inflammation is your body’s attempt at that, and it misses the mark. And so you dim again and it responds again and dims again and responds again, but it’s never really quite making it over that mark. And so what’s happened is your coping mechanisms or your injury response mechanisms are the reservoir there and it’s drying out.

[00:13:59] Dr. Zach Bush: And so once you’re coping mechanisms of anti inflammatories, antioxidants, you know, the cascade of. Uh, co repressors, co activators of the genetic level, all these things start to diminish in their reservoir when you become nutrient starved and when you over, over express the injury. And so we’re basically all walking around in some ratio of rate of injury, rate of repair.

[00:14:21] Dr. Zach Bush: As long as our rate of repair kicks up, even if not on a daily basis, is capable of kicking up higher than our rate of injury, then we’re healthy. When we start to see a steady decline in health is when that rate of injury can’t keep up, or the rate of injury is outpacing our rate of recovery, and there we get the steady decline in a chronic disease, which is where we find, you know, probably 80 percent of humanity currently.

[00:14:42] JJ: Yeah, it’s, it’s been fascinating listening to all of this because you, and I remember learning this early on, that the last thing you want to do with a mild fever is suppress the fever, because it’s not going to be able to do its job, which is what, you know, I was hearing you say again, but you think about most people, they’ll get an acute sickness and they’ll do everything to try to stop all the body’s processes that are jumping into heal.

[00:15:08] Dr. Zach Bush: So they can get back to work.

[00:15:09] JJ: Right.

[00:15:10] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah. I need an antibiotic cause I’ve had this cough for three days and I need to get back to work. Or my kid’s out of school for two days. They’re not going to let the kid back in school until they get an antibiotic. So we have these weird social and economic pressures that, that, that dictate our biologic response to illness rather than just letting our body.

[00:15:29] Dr. Zach Bush: You know what? It’s true. I have not been well slept for weeks. I need to take my foot off the pedal and I need to sleep for a few days and I need to rest and I need people to stop expecting me to be productive in the measure. And I’m going to reset my body. I’m going to put all my energy. back into myself.

[00:15:45] Dr. Zach Bush: And that’s, that’s the constellation of symptoms that happen to the organism to make those priorities clear. And when we see those priorities that the body is setting as symptoms of failure, well, I must be failing to heal because I’m still tired because I’m still fatigued. I still have a cough or whatever it is.

[00:16:01] Dr. Zach Bush: We have to stop seeing our biologic response to our environment as a failure of the system and start to see it as an intelligent design. For our regeneration.

[00:16:10] JJ: And would that regeneration then start with the microbiome?

[00:16:15] Dr. Zach Bush: It does.

[00:16:17] JJ: You know, cause you had the most eloquent description, you know, the microbiome now has been thrown around a whole bunch.

[00:16:22] JJ: There’s microbiome resets and all this stuff going on. Right. Um, but you had such a beautiful way to describe it, which I would love you to do. And then what we need to do, because it makes complete sense that you get sick, like just like, Every January I would get sick. Why’d I get sick? Cause I was overworking.

[00:16:38] JJ: I was, you know, under sleeping, all the stuff, got stressed out, would get sick. Then I would throw things at it so I could get back to work. I did all those things that set me up, if anything, for more challenges, instead of going back and going, what’s happening here and what do I need to heal within myself?

[00:16:57] JJ: And you, you also said something that I love that it’s just, you know, our, we have everything inside us to do this. Or we did till we trashed the soil and trashed our microbiome. So let’s start with unpacking the microbiome, what it is, how it works, why this diversity is so mission critical.

[00:17:16] Dr. Zach Bush: So

[00:17:16] JJ: the

[00:17:16] Dr. Zach Bush: microbiome is the soil system by which life occurs.

[00:17:19] Dr. Zach Bush: And so you can’t get a single bacteria to occur until you get this kind of hyper intelligence down at the soil level where you get so much energy potential in the soil. And before the first cell, this happens through some really unique things. This interaction between water, carbon. That’s how you start to hold electrical energy within a soil system that then can then grow something like an algae or a black mold or some of those very first forms of life.

[00:17:45] Dr. Zach Bush: And so the energetics of the planet are actually necessary for life to occur. So it’s not just you need water, you need, you know, microbiome. Before the microbiome, you need electrical energy. And so once nature is there in the form of soil, Air, water, and fire, basically. And the fire can be, you know, uh, electrical energy from lightning or volcanic sources, but you need those four elements to be present for there to be enough energetics for the first bacteria to form.

[00:18:12] Dr. Zach Bush: Once that bacteria sets up shop, it’s fermenting. And so it’s breaking apart double carbon bonds that are existing there, uh, from plant matter and the rest. And so you, you’ve got this really cool kind of cyclical fashion of capturing energy from different sources and then creating more and more complex structures.

[00:18:28] Dr. Zach Bush: And so when you start to fail in energy, you literally have to begin back at that, that point and trying to throw band aids on the end of it is what I used to do as a medical doctor. So. Medical doctor by training, internal medicine, which kept me in the hospitals, you know, all the time I was running ICUs and, you know, in and out, seeing the revolving door, you know, we patched somebody up in the ICU.

[00:18:47] Dr. Zach Bush: We sent them out three weeks later, they’re back. And then they’re in worse conditions than they were. And then we’re spending another 2 them back out the door. And you’re just seeing the, the inefficiency of disease management at that. And in that process, I realized I’m never going to be able to contribute to public health sitting in ICUs.

[00:19:04] Dr. Zach Bush: So then I retrained in endocrinology and metabolism with an idea of, well, if I could get upstream of this, really understand the communication in the human body, how the immune system communicates with the gut and the gut lining to the liver, liver to the kidneys, kidneys. So that was really exciting for me in the endocrine standpoint.

[00:19:19] Dr. Zach Bush: Endocrinology is, The study of how hormones coordinate a complex system into a single coherent organism with a force of life. And in that, it was the second half of my specialty, which was metabolism, endocrinology metabolism, where I started to study mitochondria. And that was the shattering of my belief that there’s such a thing as a human.

[00:19:39] Dr. Zach Bush: Human is not a species. Human is an ecosystem. And we now know this very well that you can’t actually get human biology to function without about 200 different mitochondrial variations per human cell. And those little mitochondria are complex bacterial species that live in and reproduce inside your cells.

[00:20:00] Dr. Zach Bush: And those, uh, can’t have function or fuel without a diverse soil system in the gut lining, the skin, the sinuses, your lungs. And now we find every organism or every organ in the body reliant on some subset of this organic soil. So even my brain, certainly when I went through medical school and honestly, if you go to medical school today, you’re going to learn the same thing is that this real spinal fluid has to be sterile.

[00:20:23] Dr. Zach Bush: If there’s any bacteria or viruses there, you must have sepsis or meningitis and you’re dying. We’ve known for 20 years that if you, you know, genetically sequence the suitable spinal fluid, there’s actually normal bacteria, fungi, viruses that are present within those environments. And so we’re starting to have to move away from the belief that the microbiome is something that exists in the human colon.

[00:20:44] Dr. Zach Bush: And it’s actually a description of a living organism and its diversity. And so this is an ecosystem that then manifests through a single biology that we call human. Life, but the life force isn’t coming from the human cell. The life force is coming from the mitochondria inside the human cells and the coordination of those life forces are being dictated by the macrom, you know, kind of ecosystem around the cells or outside of the cells.

[00:21:08] Dr. Zach Bush: And so in some ways we are ultimately just the vessel that nature has designed to allow the maximum number of species to display information into. And it’s like any computer system. The more inputs that a computer has, the more data an AI system has, The more intelligence it appears to have. And so we’re basically the intelligence of the planet right now.

[00:21:31] Dr. Zach Bush: And the planet achieves that through putting massive amounts of biodiverse data into our neurologic system, which is now quite literal. We’ve been able to map how bacteria talk directly to the neurons in your gut lining to give your brain data. And the more biodiversity you have in your gut, the more creativity and intelligence the human seems to have, the more resilience, the more problem solving all of this.

[00:21:54] Dr. Zach Bush: You start to take antibiotics in the form of herbicides and pesticides in your food, or antibiotics from your doctor, or alcohol as a mechanism of dulling your pain. All of these antimicrobial compounds that we now surround ourselves in, we lose that biodiversity and we see an immediate impact on neurologic function, creativity, curiosity, all of these things dumbing down.

[00:22:18] Dr. Zach Bush: So it is pretty amazing that to be human is to be an ecosystem, and to be an ecosystem is to have a connected intelligence. That doesn’t have to do with a single species. I

[00:22:28] JJ: mean, when you look at it and you think back, I just was on a plane last week and the woman across the aisle was, In it to win it with the, the wipes, you know, she had all the wipes and the mask, and you look at it and go, what has happened to us over the years?

[00:22:45] JJ: You talked about antibiotics, but I, and, and of course, herbicides, fungicides, I definitely want to talk glyphosate, but then I kept watching during the last couple of years, all of these hand sanitizers. And I thought, oh my gosh, What are we doing here with all of this? So I’d heard you talk about getting on antibiotics and then taking a probiotic and somehow thinking this was going to do this whole repopulation when you just scorched the earth in your, you know, in your intestinal tract.

[00:23:16] JJ: What happens with the use of all of these things, especially I think most people don’t realize something like a, these, these little wipes that they’re using on their hands. Please make sure to subscribe to our channel to get notifications for new videos. And

[00:23:41] Dr. Zach Bush: we will see you next time. Bye bye. Bye. Bye.

[00:23:50] Dr. Zach Bush: Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Well, frankly, you go to any medical school today, you’re going to learn a very erroneous understanding that the human immune system is against nature and is trying to sterilize the human body. And if it fails, then there’s bacteria and viruses and now you’re dying. We’ve known that’s not true for a long time and we’re just having a hard time teaching something else.

[00:24:13] Dr. Zach Bush: But ultimately an immune system is a description of a complex system of relationships. And so it’s basically a really good, you know, process of diplomacy between species. What we like to think of it as as a military, you know, construct and it’s out there warring against, and we even call it like T killer T cells.

[00:24:33] Dr. Zach Bush: Our white blood cells are killer T cells and we’re killing things. And you know, it’s the battlegrounds of human biology. Like that’s, that’s old, like 150 years of belief systems around germs and everything else. And so coming into that germ warfare kind of mentality comes along penicillin right in World War II where we’re sitting here running around the country as, you know, superpower, you know, for the first time and getting all pleased with our military.

[00:24:55] Dr. Zach Bush: We couldn’t believe the, the, the power of penicillin to kill bacteria and suddenly gangrene and some of these real threats on the battlefield were fundamentally changing course. And so we thought, well, this is amazing. We’re going to sterilize the human experience. We’re now the healthiest human beings ever.

[00:25:10] Dr. Zach Bush: What we didn’t realize is we were stepping into an era in which antibiotics would become a foundation of not just our medical system, but also our food system. The word antibiotic is really scary. The word biotic means the relationships and health of any ecosystem by its connectivity. So to be antibiotic is to be against the relationships of nature that create a living system.

[00:25:35] Dr. Zach Bush: And so it’s pretty extraordinary that we would go to a doctor for an antibiotic and think that’s a rational thing for our health. And so every time you get exposed to antibiotic, you are literally doing the opposite of life. You are shortening lifespan by the simple reality of decreasing the connectivity of life within you.

[00:25:54] Dr. Zach Bush: And so it’s really that simple and it’s, you know, so do back, do antibiotics save lives? Sure. In the acute setting, if you, if you’ve got a pneumonia, things like that, because you haven’t paid attention to the science of what does my biology need and now you’ve got an called pneumonia. Sure. It can give you a temporizing measure.

[00:26:12] Dr. Zach Bush: But I can tell you, I never actually really saved a life with an antibiotic. I changed the course of disease, which is much different than saving a life. And we’ve seen this in chemotherapy in spades. So as I went into chemotherapy development, it became kind of amazing to me, uh, our methodology for getting drugs approved for chemotherapy.

[00:26:31] Dr. Zach Bush: We don’t look at all cause mortality because it never really changes. And so you can put people on radiation, surgery, chemo, or any variation thereof or nothing. And they all seem to die at about the same time. So what we measure instead is cause of mortality as an outcome. And so they don’t die of breast cancer.

[00:26:47] Dr. Zach Bush: If we do this drug, you know, 20 percent less women will die of breast cancer with this, this, you know, management, but they tend to die at the same point. So none of our chemotherapeutic trials in the history have really changed all cause mortality. So what this means is we’re changing, you know, some of the nuances of, um, What’s the obvious threat to your body, but we’re not changing the life course because we forgot that life isn’t about being sterile and cancer free.

[00:27:15] Dr. Zach Bush: Life is how much energy per cubic centimeter do you have? And so when you back up to the process of what is life and how do we sustain that, you have a completely different algorithm. And what we find out is that the lights have to dim to like 5 percent of normal before you get a typical cancer. And so for a cancer to start threatening your life, you’ve already, you’re already near death.

[00:27:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And so by wiping out the cancer with chemo surgery and radiation and not correcting the amount of light per cubic centimeter, the person dies at the same. Because really, they’re going to die of a lack of light per cubic centimeter, not of cancer, not of anything. So all these death certificates that say somebody died of, you know, from cancer to autoimmune disease to COVID or whatever it is.

[00:27:56] Dr. Zach Bush: That death certificate is very misleading. What they died of was a lack of light per cubic centimeter. The symptoms are really irrelevant to the course in a million ways, but our doctoring has brainwashed us into thinking that it’s all the symptoms that are attacking us. It’s all these different, you know, diseases that are attacking the healthy body and causing death and disease.

[00:28:18] Dr. Zach Bush: And the reality is they’re just symptoms of diminishing light. And if we keep demonizing the viruses or the bacteria or the cancers and we keep mounting a war, war on cancer, war on war on COVID, war on XYZ, war on obesity, like we’ve, we’ve heard it all. We keep this warlike mentality on the symptoms of a diminishing light.

[00:28:38] Dr. Zach Bush: We’re never in a change in the course of our, our wellness or our outcomes. Whereas if we really start to concentrate, what are the elements of life that start to really brighten? The daily experience, then we would have a completely different public health course. And that’s, that’s what I get most excited about is we figured that out and it’s not very complicated.

[00:28:55] JJ: I know. And that’s the great, it reminds me of hearing, um, you know, Brian Johnson spending 2 million to hack his health and not die. And when you come down to it, it’s like, Oh, you need to eat healthy and exercise and have good relationships. I’m like, glad you spent the 2 million a year to check this. So I’ve heard you talk about, about The light and being able to check this, and I may have gotten this completely wrong, but being able to use a bio impedance machine to check phase angle, to be able to test that.

[00:29:25] JJ: Is that true?

[00:29:26] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah. Yeah. So your phase angle is a relatively simple measure and it gives you an idea of how much electrical energy is, has held within each cell of the body. And so, and that’s determined by the amount of resistance that a healthy cell wall, you know, can maintain. And so the more electrical, it’s kind of like a good insulator on a wire, right?

[00:29:44] Dr. Zach Bush: And so. We insulate a wire because electricity dissipates. So all the electrical electromagnetic energy that’s released by mitochondria from the sunlight will dissipate if not held by really well insulated systems. And the insulation around a single cell or across a gut membrane or a vascular membrane or a blood brain barrier depends on something called tight junctions.

[00:30:05] Dr. Zach Bush: And so there’s all these proteins that are much like Velcro that strengthen the scaffolding between single molecules or, or complex cellular, uh, relationships. So it’s that Velcro that becomes really fundamental to the amount of electrical light that you can hold. The amount of electrical light you can produce is directly related to the microbiome and mitochondria.

[00:30:24] Dr. Zach Bush: So, rich, diverse soil from the microbiome feeding a diverse and rich microbiome. mitochondria, you produce a lot of energy. And so, reconnecting to your macrobiology inputs. Clean air, soil, water, and that. So this is why everybody feels better after a week of vacation on the beach, is you’re walking barefoot again.

[00:30:46] Dr. Zach Bush: You’re in the ocean water that is teeming with bacterial viruses. There’s 10 to the 30 viruses in ocean water. You know, so it’s like, Cosmoses of new genetic information coming into your system and you’ve got a massive amount of electrical reconnection to the earth because sand is silica, which is the ultimate conductor.

[00:31:04] Dr. Zach Bush: That’s why we create superconductors and computer chips out of silica. So you’re literally tapping into the electrical energy of the earth and the biodiversity of life around you by, by breathing real air and not going inside for air conditioning and all those stuff. Re immerse yourself outdoors for just as simple as a week, then you start to really transform.

[00:31:21] Dr. Zach Bush: And we’ve seen that if you go and immerse yourself in an indigenous culture, with indigenous food, relationships. And so the kids are crawling all over you and everybody’s stripped down and not wearing polyester yoga clothes and everything else. You’re starting to really, you know, bury yourself back in nature.

[00:31:38] Dr. Zach Bush: We can see that the microbiome of a Westerner can become indigenous very quickly. Within a month or two, they have all the qualities of a pre, you know, pre antibiotic being.

[00:31:48] JJ: Wow.

[00:31:49] Dr. Zach Bush: So exciting how fast we can reintegrate into nature and how fast she is to like wrap us back up in her arms and repopulate and The vessel that you are,

[00:31:58] JJ: that’s important.

[00:31:58] JJ: ’cause honestly, listening to some of your stuff, when I first started listening, I’m like, oh boy, we’re doomed . I was like, keep going

[00:32:05] Dr. Zach Bush: the way we are. I was

[00:32:06] JJ: like, I, yeah. Then I was like, oh wait. No, you can turn it around. Before we go to that, could it be that someone using a simple ED and scale at home, if it reported phase angle, could they use it as a way to monitor their progress?

[00:32:22] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah. We did this over time in our clinic for for many years and. Um, the caveat is I find data to be just as debilitating as it is empowering, uh, because it becomes this external marker. And what we found in clinic over time, and I finally closed my clinic two years ago for this exact reason, is the more information that we gave somebody that was external to their own intuition, the longer it took them to heal.

[00:32:45] Dr. Zach Bush: And so we closed my clinic in favor of Journey of Intrinsic Health, which is an eight week program that we monitor or manifest online as a community. And so We have a community come together, we’ve got community members that just, you know, connect just for the curiosity and the intellectual stimulus that happens every week in our community with our weekly meetings.

[00:33:05] Dr. Zach Bush: But then, you know, a subset of those go through our eight week program, which is an intensive eight week program. You’re with six to eight people to watch each other in the healing process, and it’s, uh, and it’s, uh, empowered by a coach that’s in that group. And so the, so the, the journey coach is really steeped in these eight mechanisms by which you are in your lifestyle plugs you back into these, these fundamentals of, of, uh, biology.

[00:33:29] Dr. Zach Bush: And so there’s an eight step process that we do through those. Things really empowers each level of your physiology to come in line with the biologic diversity and the biologic capacity to reconnect at every level. And so, that process really zooms past this whole concept of biohacking very quickly.

[00:33:48] Dr. Zach Bush: Biohacking, what I see more and more of, and you know, you and I were just at a big conference in London and elsewhere, you know, and then Florida, eudaimonia. And there’s this hope that we suddenly have had a technological breakthrough that helps people overcome, you know, the toxicity that we’re experiencing.

[00:34:06] Dr. Zach Bush: And there’s a deeper and deeper understanding from the public at large that we’re in a crisis. And so billions of dollars are flooding into the biohacking tech world and everything else in hopes of finding that thing that’s going to help them overcome their chronic fatigue, chronic pain, low sex drive, uh, you know, menopausal symptoms, whatever it is.

[00:34:24] Dr. Zach Bush: And so it’s an understandable pursuit, but as we continue as an industry to throw out these external solutions, here’s red lights, here’s, you know, here’s cold plunges, here’s this thing, here’s We tend to be distracting from this deeper reality that every individual knit themselves together in the womb of their mother with no instructions, no technology, no how to build a body that is known to its own self identity.

[00:34:48] Dr. Zach Bush: And that’s really critical. Nothing that’s given to you, an aura ring or a red therapy or anything else, actually can understand your identity versus another identity at the quantum physics level. And so it’s not actually there, it’s personalized medicine. The only place that you get personalized medicine is tying back into your core identity.

[00:35:06] Dr. Zach Bush: The same thing that resonated in frequency when you were in the womb. And so that, that resonance is, is really critical for us to, to key into. And this, this is something I learned by mistake, so, or by doing the wrong thing, I’ll give you that. Um, very few times in my life do I feel like I just absolutely did the wrong thing.

[00:35:27] Dr. Zach Bush: I made some really innocent growth and, you know, did a lot of things, but what I did wrong was as a medical doctor, I believed that I was trained to know what was good for another person. And then I was trained to break their relationship to their intuition and override that with my prescription. And this became very clear, you know, in my first clinical trial with the chemotherapy I developed, it was the very first patient into that trial.

[00:35:52] Dr. Zach Bush: And it took me an hour of fear, guilt, and shame to convince this woman to swallow those six capsules. And they were safe capsules. That’s why I was so excited to get this thing out. It didn’t do her any harm. But she asked a critical question in that hour long thing, which was, what do these six capsules have to do with the reason I have cancer?

[00:36:11] Dr. Zach Bush: And that was what I could not answer. And so, 17 years of my academic training and all of my success kind of went up in smoke at that moment. And yet I continued to push through with fear, guilt, and shame until she swallowed those capsules. And so even though she had revealed the, the, you know, emperor with no clothes in the room, which is the fallacy of pharmacy is that we’re waiting for something to make biology better when in fact disease only happens from a disconnect from biology.

[00:36:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And so there is no technologic solution for a biologic creature. There’s nothing more intelligent in the universe than biology. It’s 10, 000 times brighter than suns. Uh, life is such a high intelligence. It’s such a frequency of resonance. It’s logarithms more complex and more intelligent than anything else that exists.

[00:36:57] Dr. Zach Bush: And you look at, you know, the beauty of a supernova or Saturn through a microscope or a telescope or whatever it is, like, Mind blowing beauty, mind blowing complexity in the universe, and yet a single organism, bacteria, let alone a human being. The word miracle doesn’t even scale correctly here. It’s cosmically impossible, the intelligence that is in the womb of a mother that allows you to knit yourself together as you and then know a self identity that’s entangled at the quantum cellular level, such that if I draw my red blood cells out of my arm and that’s taken to some distant location and I pop an aspirin, that blood in a tube, you know, 100 kilometers away is going to respond to the aspirin just like the blood in my arm.

[00:37:38] Dr. Zach Bush: My identity is so potently described at the fabric of reality. That I’m non local. I have a non local identity by which I know every cell that I’ve birthed out of that one cell that was me at the beginning. And so this is something that is so beyond extraordinary, that woe unto us who would go and disconnect a woman from her instinct and intuition of, I know health, and I know I’m not well right now.

[00:38:04] Dr. Zach Bush: And a lot of women around the world are really frustrated at the medical system right now because they’re going in saying, I’m fatigued, I can’t sleep. I can’t eat anything. Everything’s reactive to my body. My immune system feels like it’s shutting out. I have a deep intuition that I am dying. And the doc is like, well, your blood pressure is normal.

[00:38:21] Dr. Zach Bush: Your blood sugar looks fine. Thyroid normal. You’re fine. Maybe, maybe it’s chronic Lyme disease. And then we create these radical, you know, philosophies and storytelling and hand waving around, well, it’s probably this or that. We need to put you on a few weeks of antibiotics. And. And then come back a month later, no, I was temporarily felt changed.

[00:38:40] Dr. Zach Bush: I thought maybe so, but no, I’m actually worse than I was before. So I was in that spiraling toilet with my patients forever and I was not listening to them. And that was foolish because I actually on the first day of medical school, my Dean came in and he said, I’m going to tell you two amazing truths that you’re going to forget quickly.

[00:38:57] Dr. Zach Bush: One, you’re going to learn more in this next couple of years than you will ever learn in the rest of your life. Unfortunately, 50 percent of what we’re going to teach you is wrong. And the really bad news is we don’t know which 50 percent that is. So that was his first truth. Second truth. If you sit with a patient long enough, they’re eventually going to tell you what’s wrong with them.

[00:39:15] Dr. Zach Bush: And if you continue to be shut up and listen longer, they’re going to tell you what they need to do to get better. And so he told us those two things and true to his word, we forgot all of that within one or two weeks of the heady experience of Oh my gosh, you know gross anatomy and you, here’s the diseases and you can throw this drug on and look, their blood pressure gets better and their blood sugar gets better and like, you really get put into this God complex very quickly in this pharmaceutical model, forgetting that 50 percent of everything was wrong.

[00:39:45] Dr. Zach Bush: And, you know, 30 years later, I can tell you I did figure out the 50 percent that was wrong. And I believe it’s 50 percent of everything. It’s all half truths. And there’s no true truth in the pharmaceutical, you know, technologic model of biology. There’s, there’s nothing true about something outside of the body making it more intelligent or better.

[00:40:03] Dr. Zach Bush: It’s impossible. And so in this era where we’re now looking at transhumanism, we need computer chips in our brains and we need, you know, fake limbs and Robotics is going to make us, you know, survive this thing. That is, that is a course of action. I believe there is going to be a future for humana that does that and there’s nothing we can do about it.

[00:40:20] Dr. Zach Bush: Like that’s going to be a manifestation. But there is a different avenue and there’s going to be a small subset of us perhaps that stop going after, you know, the transhumanism or the biohacking belief that we’re going to hack biology and have some technology that suddenly makes us live longer. And there’s going to be this small subset of us that, you know, take a deep breath.

[00:40:39] Dr. Zach Bush: So, you know what? I’m gonna trust the mother on this one. I’m gonna go with the mother and I’m gonna go into the belief that we were birthed into a birthright of diversity and connectivity that creates an intelligence and a resilience and an adaptive quality to us that can help us overcome any threat.

[00:40:55] Dr. Zach Bush: And I really learned that spades under a microscope in our science of soil. And we’ve been extracting soil intelligence and putting that into dietary supplements for years now. Actually, that’s about right there, but yeah. ION is, is an acronym. Where is it? Where is there? ION is the acronym for it, which is intelligence of nature.

[00:41:16] Dr. Zach Bush: And we came convinced of this under the microscope because the biggest threat to human biology right now is disconnect. And so when we disconnect biologic systems, we get disease. And the thing that’s driving disconnect faster than our doctors and their antibiotics is actually our herbicides and pesticides in our food that function as antibiotics in the soil and at the food residue level to hit our gut and our gut lining and our vascular lining and the rest.

[00:41:39] Dr. Zach Bush: And so our laboratory has been on the front lines for 15 years studying the direct impact of herbicides on human biology. And we are so excited to report that despite the decimating effect of herbicides in there, nature had a solution that predated that injury by 60 million years. And so we’re using 60 million year old fossil soil to extract an intelligence of the microbiome that becomes a foundation that’s so rock solid in communication that the herbicide doesn’t do the damage.

[00:42:04] Dr. Zach Bush: Uh, to the current system. And so we’ve become very convinced over the last 15 years that nature has never allowed an injury that she didn’t already have a solution to. And so I’m just putting out there an invitation to every one of you to take a hard left turn towards the, towards the feminine archetype of life.

[00:42:23] Dr. Zach Bush: The masculine archetype is being proved out, especially the wounded masculine of we got to fix everything, right? So that wounded masculine belief like, well, we created the problem. We got to go fix it versus the nurture angle of the feminine. Nature has never stopped nurturing life ever. 4 billion years strong on this planet.

[00:42:41] Dr. Zach Bush: Who knows how many eons before this? Nature is, is shepherding life to more and more complex systems of intelligence, ultimately beauty, at every single level. And she doesn’t mind extinctions. Extinctions come and go. Five big ones before, last one 55 million years ago, it wiped out the top soils of the earth, and without the microbiome of the soils, life died.

[00:43:01] Dr. Zach Bush: 90 percent of life on earth disappeared with the failure of the microbiome. We’re repeating that pattern now, and this time it’s not a volcanic event or an asteroid hitting the earth to kill out the topsoils. It’s herbicides, pesticides, and chemical farming. And so we are the existential threat to the microbiome now, and we’re repeating the pattern of some 90 percent loss of life on earth.

[00:43:20] JJ: Is there a way around what we’ve done with this farming? This, um, and, and I’ll tell you what just happened, Zach. I was, I was at an event and someone said, yeah, but the farmers use the tiniest little bit of glyphosate for their entire crop, so it’s fine. And I went, what? What are you talking about? But that is the, the argument out there in the world is that If we didn’t do, if we didn’t have these things like Roundup, we wouldn’t be alive because we needed to be able to produce enough food.

[00:43:56] JJ: And so it’s necessary and they use such a minuscule amount that it doesn’t have an issue.

[00:44:02] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah. I’ve heard it a million times. I’ve probably toured more farms than any doctor on the planet, I think at this point, but um, it’s a very common argument from the, technologic world is like, oh, we’re just barely touching things, right?

[00:44:17] Dr. Zach Bush: And, uh, and it’s necessary because we’ll die without it. And so we certainly have that perspective as doctors. Well, everybody would be dying if we didn’t have ICUs. Well, we actually only had ICUs for about 50 years and we’d survived for 300, 000 years without that mechanism. And we have a lot of evidence that we had elders, you know, well into their centurion years for, for millennia before an ICU showed up on the scene.

[00:44:38] Dr. Zach Bush: So longevity doesn’t seem to track with a lack of ICUs or, you know, an abundance of ICUs in the environment. And yet we have this belief because we accept disease as normal that, well, without disease management, we would die. And so it’s this fundamental paradigm that allows for these arguments to play out.

[00:44:56] Dr. Zach Bush: Um, our team is about to, to publish, you know, the definitive paper on, on Roundup specifically, or glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in there. And because we’re so exhausted of these arguments, but we are now taking this down to two parts per billion of glyphosate. This is the amount of residues that’s everywhere.

[00:45:14] Dr. Zach Bush: In rainwater, you know, you name it, yeah, 85 percent of our rain that is measured is actually. And typically in the five to 20 billion parts per mil, uh, per uh, uh, volume there, your, your root vegetables, uh, your potatoes, your turnips, your beets can be quite high up in the parts per million. And then your kale and Brussels sprouts, and a lot of the cruciferous vegetables, as well as a lot of the grazing material that we put into cattle feed and everything else.

[00:45:44] Dr. Zach Bush: 10, 20, even a hundred parts per million. So logarithms higher than is necessary to cause damage. So we’re showing damage to the microbiome and mitochondrial membrane potential at these two parts per billion, um, in our laboratory science around human cells and animal cells. So We’re really, you know, eager to publish this data because we need to get away from the idea that just a little bit is not a problem.

[00:46:06] Dr. Zach Bush: A little bit in every ounce of water in the planet is a big problem.

[00:46:10] JJ: Well, at this point, is there a way? I mean, if it’s, if it’s in the water, it’s in the food, it’s in the soil, how do we turn that around?

[00:46:19] Dr. Zach Bush: It’s really simple, actually, and it’s re embracing biodiversity. And so the cool thing about nature is she always has a solution to every problem that nature can present.

[00:46:27] Dr. Zach Bush: And right now we are a natural system presenting a problem for nature, but that’s just another opportunity for her. And so, uh, while it looks like humans are the enemy on the planet, the cancer on the planet, they’re not. Biologically, that’s, that plays out very nicely. We do behave as a cancer on the planet.

[00:46:43] Dr. Zach Bush: We are metabolically more demanding than we offer up, and so we sucked energy out of the planet and biologic systems. But at the larger level of natural law and the way that nature works, every existential threat is her next opportunity for rebirth. And so every extinction has led to an explosion of biodiversity and more beauty and more intelligence on the planet.

[00:47:03] Dr. Zach Bush: We went from dinosaurs to, you know, blue whales and mammals and ultimately humans after a single extinction event. We went from palms and ferns as the only macro flora on the planet to deciduous trees, wildflowers, and the rest. And so the, the explosion of intelligence and diversity on the planet was created by the stress of an extinction event.

[00:47:26] Dr. Zach Bush: And so while we are an existential threat in our current behavior towards the planet, we’re preparing her through the friction and heat that we’re causing. This is her fever for her next recovery soon. When you stand back at the millions of years of nature’s scale, we’re just kind of like an acute little fever that’s driving her to a more resilient and more intelligent system to come after this.

[00:47:47] Dr. Zach Bush: And so, um, ultimately we’re not outside of nature, even though we like to think of ourselves that. And as existential threat, we’re there. Things are going to get better on this planet. It might be a few thousand years, might be a few million years, but it’s going to get really cool. And the fun thing for me is it takes such a short amount of time to do the right thing for nature before she reabsorbs that glyphosate and metabolizes that and becomes resilient against that through the microbiome.

[00:48:13] Dr. Zach Bush: And that’s what we keep showing with, with the ion supplement is if you give back communication, you can overcome the injury. And so while glyphosate at two parts per billion in every drop of water on the planet is currently diminishing things. As soon as we stop plowing and as soon as we stop over disking our soils, which destroys the mycelial network and all of that.

[00:48:32] Dr. Zach Bush: So stop plowing and stop spraying for a single year, even just a single season. So don’t spray and plow in the fall and let spring come on without disruption and let the soil microbial system and the nutrients there and start to be able to rebuild itself. In that single year, you see an increase in metabolism of the planet.

[00:48:52] Dr. Zach Bush: And so we could reset the planetary metabolism with one year of rest and we can actually continue to plant during that too, but we plant differently. We use seed drills and all the techniques used in regenerative agriculture. We find out we can actually get harvest. impedance, the soil, without being an enemy to biodiversity.

[00:49:11] Dr. Zach Bush: And over time, we actually get more resilient and more abundance from that natural system than we did when we were trying to monocrop a bunch of corn or soybean out of that land. And so, allowing the land to recover its right to life, which is biodiversity, it immediately creates solutions to all of the problems that we’ve created.

[00:49:29] Dr. Zach Bush: And so, we are pretty much 12 months away from a, you know, Garden of Eden re blossoming on this planet. We just need to give nature her right to reconnect, and when human behavior stops driving disconnection through all of our industries and our own personal behavior, the nature is going to rush in and we’re going to be a resilient and beautiful creature, maybe with a different biology altogether, because we’re going to upgrade when we reconnect to a planet that’s already responded with new creativity to the extinction level stress that we’ve already presented to the planet, so.

[00:50:01] Dr. Zach Bush: We can stay in play, I believe, and I think if we take that hard left turn away from technology into biology, we’re going to design different cities, different houses, different daily lives, different interfaces with technology all together, and we’re going to be focused on how much air did we breathe today?

[00:50:15] Dr. Zach Bush: How much water did we bathe in in natural systems, rivers, waterfalls, oceans? How much, how much soil did we actually touch today with bare feet, with bare hands? How much soil is underneath our fingernails today? We start just metricking life that direction. Autism goes away and Alzheimer’s goes away.

[00:50:35] Dr. Zach Bush: Autoimmune disease goes away. Cancer epidemics go away. It will be so fast that we reset this chronic disease story. It’s a very recent story. It’s only been around 30 years. And so we can bust out of that and really get into a whole new world of possibility. It’s not going to be linear. We’re going to have a lot of loss because we’ve, we’ve pent up a lot of damage and the collective trauma to the generations stemming from 1975 forward.

[00:51:00] Dr. Zach Bush: And so there’s going to be some premature death in a couple more generations as we, as we detox this, this system. But it’s going to be a fraction of a second in planetary history that, that nature is ready to reabsorb humanity into her next expression.

[00:51:16] JJ: So those of us listening right now who, you know, I could start a little garden at my house.

[00:51:22] JJ: I can’t start a big whole thing, but like someone listening who doesn’t want to wait for big pharma and big food and big healthcare to turn around because God knows if they ever will. Um, what are the things that we can do for ourselves, for our families to start turning this around?

[00:51:41] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, the first week of our eight week program is focused on rediscovering self identity.

[00:51:50] Dr. Zach Bush: And for this, we really have a series of techniques where we help people start to detox from all of the external roles you’ve taken on in life. And I think that anybody who’s been in a family unit for any amount of times knows how hard it is to be in that family unit. You know, there’s a lot of yogis that say everybody thinks they’re enlightened until they go back for their family, you know?

[00:52:13] Dr. Zach Bush: And so why is that? Why is the family unit so intense to stay in? And I think it’s because the roles are so densely dividing each other from our self identity. And the closer you are to somebody, the more you think you know who they are. And the more you think you know who they are, the less curiosity and attention you have to who they’ve become.

[00:52:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And so if you really want to begin the journey back into nature in your family, it’s going to start at listening to each other at the dinner table in a much different way. Instead of running through the list of stressors or events that happened over the course of the day, if the dinner began at, who did you become today?

[00:52:54] Dr. Zach Bush: What changed your sense of self? What, what challenged your previous world view today? What made you feel joy today? Like, what was that one moment where you can point to that just like really turned you on and made you feel human for that moment? If we start asking questions like that and we start letting go of the concept that I’m a son, I’m a dad, I’m a boss, I’m an employee, I’m a doctor, I’m a, you know, a taxpayer, I’m, I’m a voter.

[00:53:21] Dr. Zach Bush: You know, we have all of these layers of identities that we bring on to ourselves that, that change our sense of values, the metrics of success and failure. And pretty soon we don’t even know what it feels like to be an intuitive person. individual with a core identity that’s knit together through some quantum field that we can’t even understand because it’s non local.

[00:53:39] Dr. Zach Bush: So this is a soul that holds me in place on an earth, or maybe me, the biology holds a soul here on earth. The beauty of all that, the complexity of all that is so easily to forget when it’s your partner that snores all night and annoys you or, you know, whatever little thing it is. And so the closer we are together in proximity, The more likely we are to forget the miracle in the other.

[00:54:03] Dr. Zach Bush: And so to begin the journey back into nature, I believe it’s the journey back into self. And sometimes it’s impossible to start that self journey, but much easier to start the journey into somebody next to you in curiosity. And as you start to witness somebody else going through transformation because you’re witnessing them, suddenly they get to witness you and you feel seen in a new way as well.

[00:54:23] Dr. Zach Bush: And so that’s why we’ve found these groups of six or eight strangers that get together and journey. Can heal each other at rates never imagined in a medical clinic because you have humans that are starting to be curious about one another and not about their diseases. They don’t care or know about the diseases.

[00:54:39] Dr. Zach Bush: They’re not doctors. They’re curious other humans that want to know what your journey is. And the more you tell them, the more they realize, well, that’s my journey. I have such a pattern like that, or my gosh, that’s so different than my journey. But in that I can see that my journey is so precious in this way.

[00:54:55] Dr. Zach Bush: And let me share that. The amount of healing that can happen in just two or three episodes of a group getting together and being curious towards each other is mapping the potency of self identity. And self identity is reinforced immediately when seen. This is the two split, two slit experiment in physics.

[00:55:14] Dr. Zach Bush: Unseen, the photon of light energy actually stays in waveform, and when it shoots through the two slits, it like spreads out through the universe in all of its possible directions. But if you put a sensor next to that, or you put a human in the room to watch the experiment, it moves out of waveform and into particle and it creates two perfect slits on the x ray screen behind it.

[00:55:34] Dr. Zach Bush: And so it’s exciting that the witnessing of something actually makes it real. If it’s unwitnessed, it kind of meanders into the cosmos with all of its possible outcomes but doesn’t have a definitive identity. And so to really tune back in, we’re going to need to witness each other. And to be witness to one another, we’re going to have to let go of all of the beliefs about who this person is sitting in front of you and start to be curious.

[00:55:57] Dr. Zach Bush: And then it gets really exciting when you start to look in the mirror in the morning and be like, Oh my gosh, I am so sorry that I have discounted you so severely. I’m so sorry that I haven’t even asked the question in 50 years, Who are you? Who have you become? And then just sit there with that in silence for a minute and maybe just start crying because you don’t know and you haven’t asked, and you haven’t given permission and you haven’t been curious to know.

[00:56:24] Dr. Zach Bush: The beauty that has be is you today, and it’s, uh, there’s no, there’s no better medicine. I can offer you as a doctor, uh, a moment of silence in front of yourself with curiosity of who you’ve become. Not because of the perfect path, but because of the traumas, because of the stressors, because of the frictions, because of the illnesses, because of the chronic collapse, whatever has got, that’s exactly the fire that was needed to become the being you are right now.

[00:56:49] Dr. Zach Bush: At the tipping point of all things, when we’re going to decide, do we want to do a transhuman separation from nature and, and go into some pattern of demise that way? Or do we want to trust a biologic future where we iterate Uh, with an ecosystem that includes the blue whales and the dolphins and the dogs and the wolves of Yellowstone, are we going to tie back in as a keystone species on this planet and become part of the solution and part of the creative network that, that nature is expressing here?

[00:57:17] Dr. Zach Bush: And that’s going to happen too. That’s already happening. There’s a great divide happening in our population and I want everybody to stop judging each other on which course you’re on. You want to go a technological route? Absolutely understand it. I get it. It’s a really intriguing three dimensional, you know, journey into these robots and spaceships and everything else.

[00:57:37] Dr. Zach Bush: I, I get the allure of that and I get the beauty of it on some level. It’s amazing what humans can create when, when endowed with, you know, perhaps extra human technologies. And so that’s a path that will be taken and, and no judgment on, on those of us that choose that path. Um, but more importantly, Where do you feel good?

[00:57:57] Dr. Zach Bush: Like, take, just try the other left hand course towards, towards nature for a couple days and see what your intuition tells you. Do you really want to go put that aura ring back on? Do you really want to go stand in front of a red light for half an hour of a day when you could be on the beach instead, when you could be walking out in nature with your children instead?

[00:58:16] Dr. Zach Bush: Um, what, what makes you feel more real and where do you feel witnessed? And I would offer that as, as the beginning back into self identity as if, if you’re too worn out, which I have been many times. I’ve been too worn out energetically, socially, emotionally to sit with a group of people and be seen. I didn’t have the bandwidth.

[00:58:34] Dr. Zach Bush: I just wanted isolation. That’s all I had the bandwidth for. And to begin the journey out of that space, nature has been my solution. And so when I go, when I really hit the wall, I need, I know I need to go lay under a tree. I lay down underneath an oak tree and I look up through the patterns of the fractal branches up to the leaves at a blue sky above, white clouds passing over, and it starts to repattern my neurology and I start to remember what it feels like to be a connected, you know, specimen within a diverse nature.

[00:59:02] Dr. Zach Bush: And that helps, but the transformation happens when I ask the oak tree to see me and I make myself vulnerable energetically to be seen by nature. And then I usually just start crying underneath that tree and all the way in the dirt and cry for a while until I remember what it feels like to be seen.

[00:59:17] Dr. Zach Bush: And I can do that for weeks before I’m ready to deal with humans. And, and, uh, and then when I’m ready, I, I can go show up for my family or my kids or other people in group. And sometimes it’s the strangers that I have a better tolerance for because they have curiosity to who I am, whereas my own family, But thinks they know who I am and, and it can take time to, to dig through those layers.

[00:59:41] Dr. Zach Bush: And so it’s an invitation back into nature. Take that left hand, turn into the mother and let her wrap some arms around you and just see where you get to.

[00:59:48] JJ: That’s just this idea that as you were speaking it, I’m, I’m thinking. I have not asked my kids who are 27 and 28, you know, my, last night we had a family dinner, which is my ex husband and my husband and my two kids.

[01:00:07] JJ: And, um, I just realized like I have completely made assumptions. Like I’ve got, we all have each other in the boxes and You know, I would love to, I don’t actually know, I remember asking one of my sons what he wanted for presents for Christmas, and he’s like, oh surprise me, and I’m like, I don’t even know what it would be that would, you would love at this point, right?

[01:00:28] JJ: Which is really the question. What would bring you joy? What brought you joy today? And that’s an even bigger question, because did anything bring you joy today? Are you even thinking that way?

[01:00:41] Dr. Zach Bush: How about you? What brought you joy today?

[01:00:45] JJ: Um, What brought me joy today is I led a team meeting and I had a CEO resign and You know, these things are always silver linings.

[01:00:55] JJ: It was the right, it was the right thing for both of us and to lead a team meeting and watch people who hadn’t spoken up because they didn’t feel like they had the, the power or that anyone cared what they were saying, speak up, share ideas. It was like, it was just fabulous, you know, it was just fantastic to see people stepping up and, and being excited about what they could share and the direction they could help take the company.

[01:01:20] JJ: That brought me joy. Last night brought me joy just looking at. What I’ve been able to create with what used to be a very hostile ex husband and my two sons and my new husband and everyone gets along fantastic and they love, you know, they all love each other and that, that really is a great model because it was interesting, um, I did a lot of, of journey work with my kids and son, with my sons and ex husband, and we had this shaman come and do a human design and sphinx code with us.

[01:01:54] JJ: And he said, you know, you two, I’m surprised you even made it past three months. Like, if you look at your whole human design, you were never, you, you, you’re two diamonds. You never would have, this never would have worked, you know? And my kids, everyone just had this deep breath and forgave. It was the most beautiful, fantastic thing.

[01:02:14] JJ: And, uh, and you know, what you don’t know about me, my, my, Older son was hit by a car when he was 16 and nearly died, left for dead in the street in the ICU for four months. And you know, what’s also been amazing to witness is all along this time of being run down by a car, he’s never been a victim. And we’ll sit at Thanksgiving each year and we always go around the table and talk about what we’re most grateful for.

[01:02:40] JJ: And he’s like, I am just grateful that like it’s year 10, I’m here. I’ve had all these years. So, you know, it’s lots of amazing things to be joyful, but this whole idea of curiosity, curiosity and creativity are these two lost arts that can change everything. And that’s one of the things we were talking about today during our team meeting was like, we need to bring the creativity back and like, we need to bring curiosity back too.

[01:03:09] JJ: We need to, to be looking at all of these things. Think if people think, if, think if in the medical field, people were like, huh. All right, well we keep doing this thing. We’re doing the definition of insanity every single day. You know, maybe we should look at something else. But I think for a lot of what we do in training throughout life is to become less curious, not more.

[01:03:29] JJ: Like it’s threatening.

[01:03:32] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, and I think that we have a value system that we’ve built around humanity that values, uh, the effort towards stopping change rather than embracing change. And, um, and so that when I ask you what joy is and you say it’s the departure of my CEO, that’s That’s you embracing change.

[01:03:50] Dr. Zach Bush: And that’s you sensing into, is this a good thing or is this a bad? Oh my gosh, it’s a good thing. I can feel all this new energy and percolation of curiosity about what are we going to do next? What’s going to happen? We need to start to design with the purpose of change and transformation. And nowhere is this more true than in our own relationships.

[01:04:08] Dr. Zach Bush: And this has been my most difficult learning in my life. Um, I came seemingly out of the womb with a desire to be the best husband and the best dad and monogamous to be the band and, you know, great, great, you know, servant through my church and missions work and everything else. That’s how I came into the world.

[01:04:23] Dr. Zach Bush: Like I was pretty, I’m going to beat the band and I loved it. And I was, A great husband and a great dad and monogamous for 20 years of an incredible relationship. And to find out that I had built a system around the desire for that to never change led to the phenomenon of it coming to the end of 20 years and my wife deciding on a different path for herself.

[01:04:48] Dr. Zach Bush: That at the time felt like an utter, complete collapse and failure of my system. Could have been seen as the greatest indication of a great success and a journey of unconditional love and transformation. Because that’s what it was. For 20 years, we were kids, you know, growing up, like, for 20 years we held space for each other to become the humans that we became.

[01:05:07] Dr. Zach Bush: And we could not have done it at the rate at which we did it, in the way in which we did it, without each other. And so just the deep gratitude and the deep success we had in transformation, had that been metric by society. People would have literally like mobbed us for a celebration. Instead, she got damned by her extended family and I got, you know, thrown under the bus in a million ways by my whole community and everybody assumed it was because I must have cheated on her or whatever it is.

[01:05:35] Dr. Zach Bush: Like there was all this projection on us of failure and darkness and blah. It’s like this thing is producing two incredible kids. We were together for 20 years. We never beat each other. We never like, where was the failure here? And yet the projection on us was so intense.

[01:05:50] JJ: It’s interesting, you hear about men with divorce too, because this is, once I understood this, it shifted the relationship.

[01:05:56] JJ: My ex husband’s one of the nicest human beings you will ever meet. He is so kind, so sweet, he’s been instrumental in bringing my son back into the world, and, uh, but he was so, he felt like such a failure, because divorce for men’s failure, and I didn’t understand that. I was like, what, you know, let’s just move on into this next phase of our relationship.

[01:06:18] JJ: And he was like so angry and I kept trying to figure out what the heck it was. And then I worked with a woman who teaches a course on understanding men. And I went, Oh, and I shifted my languaging. And my gratitude and everything, like overnight and everything shifted. And you know, now we can have this, we moved from California to Florida and we all moved, husband, ex husband, you know, everybody goes together and it just works out, it’s, it’s this absolutely beautiful situation where my ex husband and, and husband absolutely love each other.

[01:06:54] JJ: They’re like brothers. It can all be. And I just refuse to. Go along with a culture or community who won’t go along with that. So like, if you are in my life, you understand that this is the way that we operate. And actually it’s become a role model for other people going through divorce. Cause it doesn’t have to be that way.

[01:07:16] JJ: It might just be like the odds that you could in your, you know, when you’re young, choose someone who would be your partner for life. I mean, really?

[01:07:29] Dr. Zach Bush: It’s kind of impossible, you know, in a lot of ways, but it was more possible when change was slow. Um, so for thousands of years of human history, very little changed in a hundred years.

[01:07:40] Dr. Zach Bush: You had the same farm fields in your, in your family for, you know, five generations at least. You grew the same crops. You did the same thing.

[01:07:48] JJ: Little

[01:07:49] Dr. Zach Bush: changed. So it was very, it was much easier to be on a parallel path for 30 years because there weren’t very many paths. So Now when we’re in a situation where change happens, a doubling of the intelligence of our, our cell phones happens every two years.

[01:08:04] Dr. Zach Bush: Let alone human systems and all the complexity around like the number of options. The chances now of finding two parallel paths that stay parallel and allow for constant mirroring of each other and transformation and all that for 40 years is suddenly Microscopic. And yet we keep placing on it, the importance and value system of, of, you know, divorces of failure.

[01:08:25] Dr. Zach Bush: And so we learn to compromise and compromise and compromise and compromise. And that’s what, of course, miracles, you know, changed my life, uh, from constructively believing that marriage was the ultimate penultimate example of what, what relationship to be to realizing that anything that’s trying to keep biology from transforming.

[01:08:45] Dr. Zach Bush: In any fashion is antithetical to nature. Nature only wants growth and complexity. And when nature gets into these logarithmic states of complexity and growth as it has in these last iterations of life on planet earth, the speed of transformation is designed by nature and it cannot be resisted by humans and our value systems.

[01:09:04] Dr. Zach Bush: So we are going to keep transforming faster and faster and faster. So can we start to understand a feminine Approach to relationship instead of a masculine archetype. A masculine archetype is goal oriented. So you check the box. I’m married. I can totally relate. When, when my wife realized that her path was departing and she left the letter on the countertop of, you know, found this other path, I have to go do this or I’ll be miserable.

[01:09:29] Dr. Zach Bush: I felt like a Mack truck. It literally hit me physiologically, spiritually, energetically, like I was a disaster because all of my check boxes just disappeared. I must not be a good dad. I must not be a good husband. I must not be a good Christian. I must not be. I was suddenly like the ultimate failure on the planet in 30 seconds.

[01:09:46] Dr. Zach Bush: Like I went from like thinking I was winning the game to the utter failure. That’s the masculine archetype of relationship. Feminine archetype is not goal oriented. It’s process oriented. And so it’s, it’s, it’s, you know, plays out in, in our, you know, multi gender relationships. So divorce rates between two women who are married is around 72 percent divorce rates between two males that are married about 21%.

[01:10:13] Dr. Zach Bush: Divorce rates between a male and a female, about 46%, dead center between the two. And so you’ve got this interesting thing where if there’s a woman involved. She’s likely thinking process oriented and she’s going to see that things do change and transform and her whole, whole world view is one of adaptation, nurture, flow, change of direction.

[01:10:33] Dr. Zach Bush: It’s a process of life. It’s a process of self expression. And then she gets owned by a man, which is our current, you know, marriage contract is an ownership model of women. And now you’re putting her under the demands of, of no change and goal oriented. And if you dare flow. You’re failing the relationship and you’re not working in whatever it is.

[01:10:55] Dr. Zach Bush: And so if we all start to take the feminine tack and we realize that. We need to change the word divorce, by the way. Anyways, like graduation would be a better term. Well, congratulations. You graduated out of that

[01:11:07] JJ: or a completion of that. Yeah, it’s a completion, a transformation, a transition, but yeah, it’s my, my, and, and I don’t like, I, I, I need a name for my ex husband.

[01:11:18] JJ: That’s not ex husband either. And he was like, could we call me something else? I’m like, what shall we call you? You know? Um, cause you were right.

[01:11:26] Dr. Zach Bush: I think my first journey partner. He’s your first journey partner. You got to journey together a long time. And maybe it was three years, maybe it was 30 years.

[01:11:34] Dr. Zach Bush: And we

[01:11:34] JJ: were meant to, like, you look at these things and as you were talking about that, I realized when, you know, my husband, I met his friends and his friends were all from high school and college, no one was growing, no one was shifting. I mean, literally as a friend that does the same thing, like every Friday, you know, where he’s going at night, every, like everything’s the same every week.

[01:11:56] JJ: And, and I don’t know, like. I have friends from high school. I rarely ever talk to them. My friends are really friends from the last 10 to 20 years. And I thought, that is so interesting. And I didn’t realize until you just started talking about it, what that was. Now it’s shifted a lot for him as he’s been finding this new identity, but as he’s been making the shift, they all tried to grab him like the crabs in the crab pot.

[01:12:17] JJ: This was, you know, it’s been interesting. Um, but. I love this whole concept of really stepping in to this nurturing, process oriented, how can we heal place, because that is absolutely where we are at this moment in time.

[01:12:38] Dr. Zach Bush: My world flipped on its head a couple years ago. I was, um, I’ve been long intrigued by the feminine archetype and its, its erasure from our modern psyche, especially around religion.

[01:12:52] Dr. Zach Bush: It doesn’t matter which religion you pick, it’s all male. dominant for the most part. And so, um, it’s, it’s the erasure of the feminine from our spiritual worldviews that leads to manifestations of society that are in this masculine paradigm. And so I had long curiosity about it. And, and, you know, for me personally grew up in a Judeo Christian church.

[01:13:16] Dr. Zach Bush: And so I thought my church was kind of outside the box because I had learned about the Gnostic Gospels that got written, but didn’t get included in what we consider the modern Bible. So I got to read the Gospel of Thomas and a lot of amazing things that didn’t really fit the common narrative that, that, uh, you know, you can quickly see when you read the Gnostic Gospels, Oh, they wanted a very cohesive narrative.

[01:13:35] Dr. Zach Bush: And if they had included all these books, you start, and it raises a lot of questions about, you know, the fabric of reality and what is God and what is Christ and all these things. And so you understand why they kind of needed a simpler story for, for a period of time. But even in that open mind, I had never been shown the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.

[01:13:52] Dr. Zach Bush: And when that fell into my lap some years ago, that suddenly blew up my whole world because it suddenly showed me what the masculine would look like within a feminine archetype. And I realized for the first time what an unwounded masculine would look like. And that starts to be, you know, what we call a Christ consciousness or Christ energy or this kind of Christos, this energetic, you know, rebirthing process coming out of the masculine.

[01:14:19] Dr. Zach Bush: Um, can do that within the context of the womb of the feminine. And so without that feminine, you know, container, the masculine never becomes, you know, it’s, it’s full expression. And we just stay there in that wounded masculine. We run around trying to fix stuff and define everything as failures, if it didn’t check the box and all that.

[01:14:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And so it was very curious, but it really shattered or really flipped on its head thoroughly. And finally, when, I was in the south of France and I was doing this Mary Magdalene journey and, you know, kind of just really deep interest in, and meditation in these spaces in which Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene were our story to have lived after the death of Christ.

[01:15:02] Dr. Zach Bush: And I was in that space and a woman told me, she was just like deep in meditation, didn’t know me at all really, and, you know, She suddenly said to me that it is not, not the, it is the role of the feminine to protect. And that shook me so profoundly because up until that moment I had been told that the masculine is the space holder and it holds space and then feminine flows through it and all this stuff around the balance of masculine and feminine within anything.

[01:15:30] Dr. Zach Bush: A leaf has masculine and feminine within it. Every single human, male or female, has masculine and feminine. They have to be balanced, if not the whole thing blows apart. But my understanding of that was the masculine was holding the space. And somehow I had been sub programmed that by holding space it meant I was the protector.

[01:15:46] Dr. Zach Bush: And so I behaved that way towards my family. I was the protector, I was the provider, I did this thing, I ran around, I got enough money for there to be food on the table, and I built a house from scratch, and like I was the ultimate like, machine manifester of all the protection, locking doors, and you know, all this stuff.

[01:16:05] Dr. Zach Bush: It said, and this woman says instead, it is the role of the feminine to protect. And it’s only the feminine that knows how to protect because she relieves from nurture. And it’s obvious that the masculine isn’t the one that was called in to like create a womb that would hold a portal of space so that a soul could connect to biology and manifest a 7 trillion cell body.

[01:16:24] Dr. Zach Bush: So it started remapping my understanding of like, of course it has to be the feminine that protects. It’s how it’s always been since the first cell. of the beginning. It was the feminine that was going to hold that vessel and create the nurture that actually creates safety. If you then go ascribe safety as a responsibility to the masculine, especially the masculine who’s been kind of kicked out of the garden here, we run around doing war.

[01:16:49] Dr. Zach Bush: And so the only way we can figure out how to protect is be that immune system in battle form. And we’re not realizing that the role of protection is not battling one another, but is actually diplomacy. and feminine when put in charge of large demo democratic systems and the like, create that, that relational reality of, of demo that democracy in the form of diplomacy.

[01:17:13] Dr. Zach Bush: And this was proved out in natural law for 40,000 years before European showed up the United States. It was arbitrated natural law as a system of governance and, and socio iPolitics was governed by the Council of women. Council women were, you know, a selection from many of the 615 nations that were here in North America.

[01:17:31] Dr. Zach Bush: 100 million people within those 600 nations, so it’s a huge population with complex agricultural systems, complex systems of water and soil and Like it was a miraculous system that Europeans showed up here and saw way more complex, you know, food systems than were represented in Europe. So it was a really powerful demonstration of what would happen if the feminine archetype of protection was one of diplomacy and democracy, uh, via that diplomacy, uh, playing out in natural systems such that we were not just in balance with one another as 600 nations, we were in balance with nature itself because the feminine was, was creating the safety and the nurture.

[01:18:09] Dr. Zach Bush: And so then it begs the question, well, what’s the role of the masculine? And this woman, you know, tells me that the role of the masculine is to open the heart. And I realized that I just had had the whole darn thing. Ass backwards and upside down. When I give up the responsibility of protecting everybody around me and I start to be able to receive the nurture and protection of, of earth itself, and I start to be nurtured and the microbiome proliferates and I get biodiversity back in me because I’m now in the oceans and I’m on the rivers and I’m spending time in nature instead of believing that I need to run around and protect people from nature.

[01:18:44] Dr. Zach Bush: And I start to trust that nature meant for us to be here and I can step back into my capacity to receive as a masculine. Now I’m in my right relationship with nature. I’m here to hold space, not to force out nature. I’m not the walls and barriers. I’m the walls of receiving. And so the masculine is there to receive from the feminine that can only.

[01:19:06] Dr. Zach Bush: Pour more in and so nature is so abundant by its natural relationship of the masculine feminine in its balance it creates space for abundance to be poured in and to regenerate and generate, generate, iterate and into new life. And so when men stop running around and trying to protect us from nature and we stop the abandonment disorder that somehow we got kicked out We start to receive back from nature, our microbiome goes nuts, our curiosity re engages, our creativity follows that, and we become a feminine expression of humanity again.

[01:19:39] Dr. Zach Bush: And that feminine entity, we become fertile and, and nurture. And the masculine, in its capacity to hold still and hold space, gets to witness the feminine. And that’s what I have come to say is the role of the mask and is to hold the space so the feminine can flow through in a witness state. And the energy flowing through me when witnessed is beautiful.

[01:20:02] Dr. Zach Bush: And so I have to practice this on a daily basis because I’ve found that if I try to go into relationship to complete myself, I drain the other person. And that’s, that’s predicted by the Course in Miracles and everything else. Not until I complete myself, Will I be anything but a drain on the other people that I try to grab onto to try to justify my half completion, you know, that I tend to believe in?

[01:20:23] Dr. Zach Bush: And so if I’m going to become complete, I have to start to witness the beauty within myself. I need to see the feminine nurture and flow within myself. And the way that I do this, it’s different for every one of us, but I need to be at a piano or on a guitar. I need to be creating music because it’s the immediate obvious thing that there’s something flowing through me that didn’t exist a moment ago.

[01:20:44] Dr. Zach Bush: And now I can pluck some strings and suddenly there’s something that exists now that didn’t exist a few minutes ago and it’s beautiful. And then I get to see that and witness that and the masculine within me witnessing the beauty coming through my own creativity and now I’m becoming complete. And so if I play the piano for an hour, I reach a resonance, a frequency of capacity to manifest from my creativity and curiosity that I didn’t have before.

[01:21:06] Dr. Zach Bush: And so if my companies are under stress and vice presidents are leaving like I’ve gone through a similar clearing of the field in recent weeks because it’s the astrology of the moment the planet is saying We’re going to wipe this thing free. We’re so grateful for all of the journey partners that have got us here And now it’s time for a new community to gather and so we need that clearing and we need to get curious and creative We need to realize that the masculine one Every one of us is ready to hold space for each of us to complete now And we need to receive so much from nature right now.

[01:21:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And so more breath, more time under the trees, more fresh air, more reconnection with the glory of the cosmos above us, with the stars right above, or the northern lights, or the clouds at sunset, whatever. You need to dive in and get, get reconnected and start resonating the frequency of completion. Witness the creativity coming through you and have the sensation of the masculine within you that holds enough stillness that it can witness the beauty pouring through you and being received and then we will manifest a different future.

[01:22:08] JJ: Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you so much. Can I have you back for part two? Because literally, you know I have like 80 questions in a document here.

[01:22:19] Dr. Zach Bush: No problem. Part two of ten. That sounds great. We

[01:22:21] JJ: got, we got three of three. Um, and that was just, I had no idea we were going in that direction. And that direction is just couldn’t be more perfect.

[01:22:30] JJ: Perfect. So thank you for that. How, where are all the places we should send people? I know you have your eight week course, you have your membership, you have ION, um, let’s put it all in the show notes. I’ll put it at jjvirgin. com forward slash drzach, z a c h. Um, tell us about, tell us about what you’re up to, what you’ve got, and where everyone should go.

[01:22:50] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, um, zackbushmd. com is the website that kind of is a portal to everything I do. Um, there is a, um, a new, uh, membership or, um, Uh, free library there, um, it’s, uh, it’s called the Knowledge Library, and that library contains 300 of my most popular podcasts that cover just about every, you know, question you could possibly have in your mind.

[01:23:14] Dr. Zach Bush: It’s a searchable database and so you have a particular question of what I think about anything, including linoleum, you’ll find, probably find it in there. And so, uh, the Zach Bush MD portal can take you into I guess someone’s

[01:23:25] JJ: asked about linoleum. So I was like, well, that was really random, Zach.

[01:23:30] Dr. Zach Bush: So any random thing you can come up with, you can probably find in that database.

[01:23:33] Dr. Zach Bush: The Global Health Education Summit is a deep dive on a lot of different scientific, you know, frameworks of the backing that I’m doing here. So you can dive into some of that library there. Also free and available to you, um, through that portal. Um, the, uh, participation on how the globe, uh, goes back into a regenerative rebirth as we start to embrace the feminine Uh, nurture of, uh, nature back into humanity.

[01:23:58] Dr. Zach Bush: We get to be part of the solution for the planet to go back into a really rapid regenerative state and rebirth new, new biodiversity, new energetics, and this whole story of climate change can disappear in a moment. And so Project Biome is my large non profit that is visioning how we bring humanity as a whole, industry, non profits, governments, into a cohesive vision.

[01:24:17] Dr. Zach Bush: Simple, simple vision of rewilding rivers and coastlines, regenerative agricultural corridors around that, and then reconnected economies where we start to care for bio, um, uh, bioregional economic stimulus. Through those three mechanisms, we can suddenly all become in line with what the planet’s trying to do right now.

[01:24:34] Dr. Zach Bush: The planet’s not in crisis, she’s in a moment of rebirth. So she’s going through a contraction right now, uh, CO2 disappears from the atmosphere and everything goes back into this generative cycle. And that relies on Africa, so I’m really excited for you to tap into Project Biome as an understanding of where we are with nature and the fact that we can be part of her genitive rebirth, rather than her existential threat as we start to receive from her again.

[01:24:59] Dr. Zach Bush: So projectbiome. org is that site. For food systems for your family, I strongly encourage you to tap into farmersfootprint. us. The Garden Club can show you how to turn your backyard of monoculture grass into a food forest. And really start to not only nourish your family right now, but provide for your entire neighborhood for generations to come through, through that.

[01:25:19] Dr. Zach Bush: So the Garden Club is a potent activation there and lots of opportunities for you to engage in that non profit space as well. For those of you that are dismayed by the recent election and kind of the spectacle that we have going on around the world in the breakdown of socio politics and relational behavior towards one another in the crisis of war, whether it be Israel and Gaza, Ukraine.

[01:25:42] Dr. Zach Bush: Syria, Lebanon, you name it, if that’s starting to really weigh on your psyche and your feelings within you, a desire to be part of a different solution, Institute of Natural Law is my non profit that’s really focused on expanding our understanding awareness of natural law as a very coherent system for socio political change where we can all have a unifying understanding of The way in which nature is expressed as itself in complex human systems like societies, et cetera.

[01:26:07] Dr. Zach Bush: And so an exciting way for us all to make sure that we never have another election that looks like the last one we had is to tap in there. So we could use your support at both projectbiome. org and instituteofnaturallaw. org. Uh, we’ll get your support behind all that. We would love for you to join those communities.

[01:26:22] Dr. Zach Bush: There, we have, uh, big community platforms, uh, on both of those. So get engaged and be part of this, this change that we all want and feel is possible in our hearts.

[01:26:32] JJ: And you forgot ION. ION is on your website, on Amazon. I tried to get some yesterday, by the way, and sold out.

[01:26:42] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, we’ve got quite the demand going on on Intelligence of Nature right now, but it’s going back into availability across the country over the next couple of weeks, so you can go to intelligenceofnature.

[01:26:53] Dr. Zach Bush: com. Tap in there. Um, uh, it’ll be a couple months before it’s back on Amazon, things like that. But for now, it’s intelligenceofnature. com for, for tapping into the intelligence of, of ancient soil as a new foundation for your biology and to start to hold more electrical energy and, and, uh, more vibrancy in your own self expression.

[01:27:12] Dr. Zach Bush: It’s a cool foundation. So intelligenceofnature. com, get to there.

[01:27:16] JJ: Perfect. So all of that’s going to be at jjvirgin. com forward slash drzak because that was a lot. Um, and I, I went to your website. There’s a lot of great information. Plus put a link to a couple of my favorite podcasts that I just was deep diving into because you’ve got a lot of different podcasts out there as well.

[01:27:36] JJ: So lots of great information. I know we just scratched the surface and I really appreciate your time today. Thank you so much.

[01:27:43] Dr. Zach Bush: Honor to be with you.

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